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Wednesday, 30 December 2009

Dreamtime Meteor Impact Found Near Alice Springs, Australia

Dreamtime Meteor Impact Found Near Alice Springs, Australia

Paul Heinrich oxytropidoceras at
Wed Dec 30 17:01:22 EST 2009

Dreamtime Meteor Impact Found with Google Earth
Steve Nerlich, December 30th, 2009, Universe Today

"His suspicions were confirmed when he visited the
site with a team of geophysicists and astrophysicists,
who found evidence that a popular tourist location in
the national park called Palm Valley contains the
remains of an ancient impact crater.

"We found shocked quartz, which is only produced by
a substantial impact and its presence in the rock samples
and the morphology of the structure are the major
indicators that Palm Valley is a crater,” Mr Hamacher said."

Google, Dreaming lead to ancient crater by Deborah
Smith, Sydney Morning Herald, December 28, 2009

Google Earth confirms Dreamtime meteor legend by Annie
Sanson, Northern Territory News, December 30, 2009

Mystery solved by Dream by Annie Sanson, Northern
Territory News, December 30, 2009


Paul H.

NASA considers missions to Venus, moon and asteroid

NASA considers missions to Venus, moon and asteroid

Paul Heinrich oxytropidoceras at
Wed Dec 30 16:53:29 EST 2009

NASA considers missions to Venus, moon and asteroid
by Stephen Clark, Spaceflight Now, December 29, 2009


Paul H.

Russia looks to divert asteroid from Earth

Russia looks to divert asteroid from Earth

Paul Heinrich oxytropidoceras at
Wed Dec 30 16:50:06 EST 2009

Russia looks to divert asteroid from Earth
Seattle Post Intelligencer,

"Russia is erring on the side of caution,
Perminov said in the report: "Better to
spend a few hundred million dollars to
create a system for preventing a collision
than to wait until it happens and hundreds
of thousands of people are killed.""

Giant asteroid to pass earth at close range
Toronto Star, Cathal Kelly,

NASA Refines Asteroid Apophis' Path Toward
Earth, NASA,


Paul H.

Tuesday, 29 December 2009

Meteorite Deaths? Interesting old article-read

Meteorite Deaths? Interesting old article-read

by Paul Heinrich
Tue Dec 29 23:33:54 EST 2009

Susan K. Webb wrote:

"Most of the bulk of my post involved the old Chinese
recorded incidents. Lewis took those from the Yau,
Weissman and Yeomans' paper:"

Yau, K., P. Weissman, and D. Yeomans, 1994, Meteorite
Falls in China and Some Related Human Casualty Events.
Meteoritics. vol. 29, pp. 864-871.

PDF file at: or

Thank you for the citation and reference to the Chinese
falls. It is a rather interesting and very useful paper.

Webb also wrote;

"Paul's response suggests that field work
could be profitable if the site could be
located. That took me by surprise; I assumed
too much time had passed. It's an exciting

I agree with you that this is a very interesting thought.
It the case of the reported falls that involve just a few
stones, it highly unlikely that much of anything could
be found.

However, in case of certain reported falls, in which
it appears that thousands of pieces might have fell,
I think even after a few hundred years, that there is
a fair chance that there might still be meteorites that
can be found. I suspect, if a person took into account
what geoarchaeologists call "site formation processes"
and used what is known about the geomorphology and
geomorphologic history of the area, a good geomorphologist
/ geologist / geoarchaeology could make specific
predictions as to where any meteorites from a fall
eventually came to rest and where to best look for them.
It is matter of using the enormous amount of knowledge
already gathered about geomorphology, surficial
landscape processes, and "site formation processes" to
predict the best places to look for meteorites deposited
from a possible fall.

Of course after several hundred years, any meteorites found
would likely be too weathered to be of any interest to
collectors. However, I suspect that scientifically useful
information can still be collected despite how badly
weathered the specimens might be. Of course, any search
for such reported falls would not be easy and there would
be no guarantee of success.

Looking at Yau et al. (1994), the reported 1490 fall, in my
opinion, might be a promising candidate for a search for
meteorites because of both the reported number of objects
and the reported size, 1.0 to 1.5 kg, of individual pieces.
Unfortunately, at this time, I cannot determine what the
modern name for Ch'ing-yang, China and its exact location
is at this time given the different and changing ways that
Chinese names have been and are transliterated into English.

Best Wishes,

Paul H.

Questions About 1490 Ch'ing-yang, Shansi Event

Questions About 1490 Ch'ing-yang, Shansi Event

by Paul Heinrich
Tue Dec 29 16:55:40 EST 2009

Larry wrote:

"For all of his "research" on these falls, Lewis did not
make any effort to try to validate the events beyond his
interpretation of the writings. It has been a long time
since I read the book or talked to him about it."

This brings up some questions about the alleged 1490
falls in Ch'ing-yang, Shansi, China.

1. Are exact citations and translations of the text from
the reports that Lewis interpreted as describing an massive
meteorite fall and thousands of death in 1490 available

2. Has anyone else examined and commented in detail
on the contents of these reports in regard to a possible
meteorite fall and associated deaths in 1490?

Given the nature of the proposed 1490 meteorite fall,
it would be quite fascinating to be able to read the
translations of the primary Chinese text and learn exactly
what is written in them about this event. If there is any
credible information at all in in these reports that supports
such a massive event, it seems like a person could prepare
a publishable paper alone that presents the translated text
concerning what, if anything, happened in 1490, and the
text's interpretation.

Because of the spectacular nature of this hypothesized
event, it seems like more could be written about it then
the short excerpts that I have been able to find.


Paul H.

Online Impact Cratering Powerpoint Presentations

Online Impact Cratering Powerpoint Presentations

by Paul Heinrich
Tue Dec 29 16:30:36 EST 2009

Dear Friends,

Out of curiosity, I did an Advanced Google search
for "impact cratering" while restricting the file type to
ppt (Powerpoint presentation) format. I found a
number of interesting Powerpoint presentations.

They included:

1. Impact Cratering Mechanics and Morphologies

2. Impact Cratering Dating by Nathan Marsh

3. Impact Cratering by Virginia Pasek

4. Impact Cratering Mechanics and Morphologies

5. Impact Cratering Lecture 3, Impact Cratering Lecture 3

6. Impact Craters

7. Terrestrial Geology Basics


9. Apocalypse Maybe: Unlikely Doomsday
Scenarios for the End of the Earth


Paul H.

Meteorite deaths

Meteorite deaths

by Paul Heinrich
Tue Dec 29 13:25:31 EST 2009

Grondine asked:

"Has anyone ever thought of going to those fall sites
in China and hunting them? Or doing archeology in
the case of the larger falls?"

I have not heard of anyone attempting to find evidence
of the larger falls. However, that does not mean much
because usually the results of such research when it is
negative (nobody finds anything) is typically not published
simply because either the authors or editors do not
consider such negative results as being significance
enough to publish.

It is a very good question for which I do not have an answer.


Paul H.

Meteorite Deaths? Interesting old article-read

Meteorite Deaths? Interesting old article-read

by Paul Heinrich
Tue Dec 29 12:38:10 EST 2009

One of the instances of a reported meteorite fall that
resulted in human deaths that Sterling K. Webb quoted:

"The most startling is a report of an event in early
1490 in Ch'ing-yang, Shansi, in which many people
were killed when stones "fell like rain." Of the three
known surviving reports of this event, one says that
"over 10,000 people" were killed, and one says that
"several tens of thousands" were killed."

Does anyone know where Ch'ing-yang, Shansi is in China?

I ask this question because, unlike many of the other
alleged meteorite falls reported to have caused either
injury or death to humans, this fall, as reported, would
have been extensive enough to have left behind some
sort of "findable" physical evidence in the form of
actual meteorites. Applying the basic principles of
geomorphology, Quaternary geology, and site formation
processes as developed by archaeologists, a well-
trained Quaternary geologist, archaeological geologist,
or geomorphologists should be able to locate the
landforms and colluvial or fluvial deposits of the right
age in which any of these numerous meteorites would
have been concentrated and either them or their
weathered remains possibly preserved

For example, on landforms that predate 1490, the
meteorites would have been buried by bioturbation.
As the local soils were churned by farming and
soil fauna, any meteorites that would have fallen on
the land surface would have eventually sunk to the
base of the soil's biomantle. As a result, they would
be concentrated as a layer at the base of bioturbation
called a "carpedolith". In gullies and other exposures,
they would occur as a "stone line" at the base of the
biomantle. Also, using what is known about the
archaeology and geomorphology of the area, a
person could locate the buried land surfaces or
deposits of the right age and origin that should contain
these meteorites, if they indeed exist.

This is the sort of methodology I discuss in relationship
to the alleged tektites found in Rapides Parish, Louisiana
in "Reevaluation of Tektites Reported from. Rapides
Parish, Louisiana" at either: or

A hypothetical stone line can be seen in "Animation on
Dynamic Denudation/Biomantle Evolution" at;

and discussed in:

Johnson, D. L., 1989, Subsurface Stone Lines, Stone Zones,
Artifact-Manuport Layers, and Biomantles Produced by
Bioturbation via Pocket Gophers (Thomomys Bottae).
American Antiquity. vol. 54, no. 2, pp. 370-389

and Johnson, D. L., 1990, Biomantle Evolution and the
Redistribution of Earth Materials and Artifacts. Soil
Science. vol. 149, no. 2, pp. 84-102.

Meteorites will behave very much like the artifacts discussed
in the above paper.


Paul H.

Sunday, 27 December 2009

Off-Topic Science: Russia's Conquering Zeros

Off-Topic Science: Russia's Conquering Zeros

by Paul Heinrich
Sun Dec 27 16:55:11 EST 2009

Dear Friends,

This off topic from meteorites, but has something
to say about the practice of science in general in
different countries.

Russia's Conquering Zeros The strength of
post-Soviet math stems from decades of lonely
productivity by Masha Green, New York Times


Paul H.

Downloadable PDF Files of Papers About Massive, Earth-like planets, Mars, and So Forth

Downloadable PDF Files of Papers About Massive, Earth-like planets, Mars, and So Forth

by Paul Heinrich
Sun Dec 27 15:50:10 EST 2009

Dear Friends,

There are a few downloadable PDF files about Massive
Earth-like planets, Mars, and other interesting topics on
Edwin Kite's web at:

page of publications at .

They include:

1. Kite, E. S., I. Matsuyama, M. Manga, J. T.
Perron, and J X. Mitrovicad, 2009, True polar
wander driven by late-stage volcanism and the
distribution of paleopolar deposits on Mars.
Earth and Planetary Science Letters, vol. 280.
pp. 254–267. PDF file at:

2. Kite, Palaeo-ice streams in the Equatorial Transition
Zone, Mars, 2006, 19th UCL Astronomy Colloq. Windsor.
poster. Image file at:

3. Kite, E. S., 2006, Massive Earths: modelling
challenge, extraterrestrial diamond anvil,
long-lived habitat?, Hubbert Prize 2006, winning
essay. PDF file at:


Paul H.

Friday, 25 December 2009

Old-Time Cosmic Catastrophism is Alive and Well

Old-Time Cosmic Catastrophism is Alive and Well

by Paul Heinrich
Fri Dec 25 03:25:25 EST 2009

Dear friends,

While searching the Internet, I can across examples that
show that no-holds-barred cosmic catastrophism is still
alive and well. Some examples include:

Spedicato, E., 2009, Hypotheses and Scientific Approaches
to Human Memory of Four Great Catastrophes. The 2009
Conference on Quantavolution, Kandersteg, Switzerland.

Another lecture by Dr. Spedicato, "Solomon and Dionysus:
Who Were They? Two Mysteries Solved, Again Confirming
the Validity of Ancient Texts" at:

Spedicato, E., 2008a, The Flood of Deucalion. The Paris
Conference on Quatavolution 2008, Université Pierre-et-
Marie-Curie, Paris, France.

Spedicato, E., 2008a, From Phaethon to Pachamacac
Hypotheses and scientific approaches to human memory
of great catastrophes. The Paris Conference on
Quatavolution 2008, Université Pierre-et-Marie-Curie,
Paris, France. at

A 2007 Conference on Quatavolution paper of his, "Geography
and Numerics of Eden, Kharsag and Paradise: Sumerian and
Enochian Sources Versus the Genesis Tale" is quite revealing.

A similar catastrophist paper is:

Barbiero, F., 2007, Changes of Rotation Axis of Earth
after Asteroid/Cometary Impacts and Their Geological
Effects. 2007 Conference on Quantavolution. Kandersteg,
Switzerland. It can be found at:

In the 2009 Conference on Quantavolution, Barbiero has a
paper titled "Space-Time as a Field of Mass - A Proposal for
a New Model of Physical Reality" at

I have absolutely no clue as to what Barbiero is talking about
in his 2009 paper. From what I found in this paper, I very likely
only need to start worrying if I did find something in this paper
that I understood.

However, Spedicato did get a paper published in a peer-
reviewed book: It is:

Spedicato, Emilio, 2008, Homer and Orosius: A Key to
Explain Deucalion's Flood, Exodus and Other Tales, in
S. A. Paipetis, ed., Science and Technology in Homeric
Epics, vol. 6, pp. 369-374. History of Mechanism and
Machine Science, Springer Netherlands.

2006 version of this paper can be found at:

It seems like Spedicato is an excellent example of how
far off the deep end that a scientist, in this case a
mathematician, can go when they conduct "research"
that is way outside their area of expertise.

Another paper that also appears in "Science and Technology
in Homeric Epics" is "A Comet During the Trojan War?" by Dr.
Stavros Papamarinopoulos at either , , or


Paul H.

Wednesday, 23 December 2009

Off-Topic, But Fun, Comments About Snowflakes and Christmas

Off-Topic, But Fun, Comments About Snowflakes and Christmas

by Paul Heinrich
Wed Dec 23 23:32:02 EST 2009

What's Wrong With This Snowflake? by Jon Hamilton
All Things Considered, NPR

Christmas card snowflakes 'corrupt nature' by
defying laws of physics by Ian Sample, Guardian
Dec. 23, 2009

Snowflakes on Christmas cards drawn wrong by
Jeanna Bryner, MSMBC

The correspondence is;

Koop, T., 2009, 'Snow joke as festive season
gives rise to a blizzard of fake flakes. Nature.
vol. 462, p. 985, doi:10.1038/462985a; Published
online December 23, 2009

Additional stuff:

1. A Snowflake Primer ... The basic facts about
snowflakes and snow crystals ..."

2. Libbrecht, K. G., 2005, The physics of snow
crystals. Reports on Progress in Physics. vol. 68,
pp. 855-895. doi:10.1088/0034-4885/68/4/R03

Dowload PDF file from

3. Snow Crystals Site

Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays Eveyone

Paul H.

Sunday, 13 December 2009

Indian scientists detect signs of life on Moon

Indian scientists detect signs of life on Moon

oxytropidoceras at oxytropidoceras at
Sun Dec 13 12:26:07 EST 2009

Indian scientists detect signs of life on Moon by Bhargavi Kerur,
DNA, Read the World, december 12, 2009

Life on the moon, The Irish Times, December 12, 2009

Sounds like a reporter is getting carried away with his imagination.

Does anyone know anything about the claim in the first article that:

"However, traces of amino acids, which are basic to life,
were found in the soil retrieved by the Apollo-11 astronauts."?


Paul H.

Saturday, 12 December 2009

Earth's Atmosphere Came from Outer Space

Earth's Atmosphere Came from Outer Space

oxytropidoceras at oxytropidoceras at
Sat Dec 12 07:29:55 EST 2009

Earth's Atmosphere Came from Outer Space, Scientists Find
Science Daily, Dec. 11, 2009,

The paper is:

Holland, G., Chris J. Ballentine, and Martin Cassidy, 2009,
Meteorite Kr in Earth's Mantle Suggests a Late Accretionary
Source for the Atmosphere. Science. vol. 326, no. 5959,
pp. 1522 - 1525 DOI: 10.1126/science.1179518,


Paul H.

Friday, 11 December 2009

Four PDF Files of Papers About Asteroid Impact Generated Tsunamis

Four PDF Files of Papers About Asteroid Impact Generated Tsunamis

oxytropidoceras at oxytropidoceras at
Fri Dec 11 14:04:55 EST 2009

The papers are:

1. Tsunami From Asteroid And Comet Impacts: The Vulnerability of
Europe by Jack C. Hills and Patrick Goda

2. Asteroid Tsunami Inundation of Japan by Charles L. Mader

3. Modeling The Eltanin Asteroid Tsunami by Charles L. Mader

4. Modeling Asteroid Impact And Tsunami by David A. Crawford
and Charles L. Mader

All of these papers are found in vol. 16, no. 1 (1998) of the
"Science of Tsunami Hazards". The 3.7 MB PDF of this
issue of Science of Tsunami Hazards, which contains the
above paper can be downloaded from:

The table of contents.with links for PDF files, for this and
other issues of the Science of Tsunami Hazards is at:


Paul H.

Friday, 4 December 2009

Reigniting the Cretaceous-Palaeogene firestorm debate Thursday, December 3, 2009

Re-igniting the Cretaceous-Palaeogene firestorm debate

Thursday, December 3, 2009 7:20 AM

Belcher, C. M., 2009, Reigniting the Cretaceous-Palaeogene
firestorm debate. Geology. vol. 37, no. 12, pp. 1147-1148

Abstract and text at:

PDF file at:


Paul H.

Sunday, 22 November 2009

Publications related to Upheaval Dome

Publications Related to Upheaval Dome (was posted as No Subject]

oxytropidoceras at oxytropidoceras at
Sun Nov 22 10:44:38 EST 2009

The current issue, September 2009, issue of
Utah Geological Survey has a short popular article
about the Upheaval Dome in it: It is:

Case, William, 2009, Geosights, Utah's Belly Button,
Upheaval Dome. Utah Geological Survey Notes.
vol. 41, no. 3, p. 11.

PDF file of September 2009 issue at:
and linked at

An earlier issues, September 2008, of the Utah
Geological Survey Notes has an article about
exhumed paleochannels in the Morrison and Cedar
Mountain formations that are terrestrial analogues
of exhumed paleochannels seen on satellite images of
Mars. The article discussing these paleochannels is:

Chidsey, T. C., R. M. E. Williams, and D. E. Eby, 2008,
Ancient Exhumed River Channels of the Morrison and
Cedar Mountain Formations—Analogs for Eastern
Utah Oil and Gas Fields and Features on Mars Too!
Utah Geological Survey Notes. Vol. 40, no. 3, PP. 1-4.

PDF file of September 2008 issue at:
and linked at

A related PDF file is:

Okubo, C. H., and R. A. Schultz, 2007, Compactional
deformation bands in Wingate Sandstone; Additional
evidence of an impact origin for Upheaval Dome, Utah.
Earth and Planetary Science Letters. vol. 256, pp. 169-181,

A related PDF file is:

Williams, R. E. M., T. C. Chidsey, Jr., and D. E. Eby, 2007,
Exhumed Paleochannels in Central Utah–Analogs for
Raised Curvilinear Features on Mars. in G. C. Willis,
M. D. Hylland, D. L. Clark, and T. C. Chidsey, eds., Central
Utah–Diverse Geology of a Dynamic Landscape. Utah
Geological Association Publication no. 26. Salt Lake
City, Utah.

More recently there is:

Burr, D. M., M.-T. Enga, R. M. E. Williams, J. R. Zimbelman,
A. D. Howard, and T. A. Brennand, 2009, Pervasive aqueous
paleoflow features in the Aeolis/Zephyria Plana region, Mars.
Icarus, vol. 200, pp. 52–76

Newsom, H. E., N. L. Lanzaa, A. M. Ollilaa, S. M. Wisemanb,
Ted L. Roushc, G. A. Marzod, L. L. Tornabenee, C. H. Okubof,
M. M. Osterloog, V. V. E. Hamiltonh and L. S. Crumpleri, in
press, Inverted channel deposits on the floor of Miyamoto
crater, Mars. Icarus. doi:10.1016/j.icarus.2009.03.030

Pain, C. F., J. D. A. Clarke, and M. Thomas, 2007, Inversion
of Relief as a Geomorphic Process on Mars and its
Relevance to Landing Site Selection. in Two Planets -
One Future. Mars Society Australia, Inc.

1. Featured images for May 2008: Inverted Paleochannels
on Earth and Mars.

2. Rebecca M.E. Williams 2008 Annual Research Report

The Utah inverted paleochannels can be seen readily on
Google Earth. The coordinates for one prominent set of
them is:

38°52'32.42"N, 110°16'15.38"W


Paul h.

Saturday, 21 November 2009

Pleistocene Megafaunal Collapse, Dung Fungus, and Younger Dryas

Pleistocene Megafaunal Collapse, Dung Fungus, and Younger Dryas

oxytropidoceras at oxytropidoceras at
Sat Nov 21 08:27:07 EST 2009

New Data Shed Light on Large-Animal Extinction, New
York Times by Nicholas Wade, November 19, 2009‎

After Mastodons and Mammoths, a Transformed Landscape
Science Daily, ‎November 19, 2009,

Dung dating illuminates mammoth mystery,

mystery of the mastodons gets a few big clues, Christian
Science Monitor, November 19, 2009‎

Dung helps reveal why mammoths died out BBC News
by Victoria Gill, November 19, 2009‎

The paper discussed in the above articles is:

Gill, J. l., J. W. Williams, S. T. Jackson, K. B. Lininger, and G. S. Robinson,
2009, Pleistocene Megafaunal Collapse, Novel Plant Communities, and
Enhanced Fire Regimes in North America. Science. vol. 326, no. 5956,
pp. 1100 - 1103. DOI: 10.1126/science.1179504


Paul H.

The Kinetics of Mass Extinction and Origination

The Kinetics of Mass Extinction and Origination

oxytropidoceras at oxytropidoceras at
Sat Nov 21 08:03:48 EST 2009

Paleontologists find extinction rates higher in open-ocean settings
during mass extinctions. Science Daily, November 20, 2009

Other web pages:

The paper is:

Miller, A. I. and M. Foote, 2009, Epicontinental Seas Versus Open-Ocean
Settings: The Kinetics of Mass Extinction and Origination. Science.
vol. 326, no. 5956, pp. 1106 - 1109. DOI: 10.1126/science.1180061


Paul H.

Sunday, 15 November 2009

Observations on Age of Carolina Bays

Observations on Age of Carolina Bays

oxytropidoceras at oxytropidoceras at
Sun Nov 15 14:46:30 EST 2009

As I will discuss in a paper that I am preparing, Carolina Bays
are not at all difficult to date in terms of their age relative to the
Younger Dryas as documented in a number of published, peer-
reviewed papers and specific Cultural Resource Management
reports. There is a huge amount of information available about
either the age or relative age of the Carolina Bays to be found
by carefully and persistently digging through the large number
of publications about them and the geomorphology of the
Atlantic coastal plain.

1. Radiocarbon dates, which are all minimum dates indicating
when ground water conditions allowed the preservation of
organic material within them. All the basal dates tells a person
is the last time that a bay was permanently filled with water
because of rising groundwater table, which is greatly influenced
by rises and falls in eustatic sea level. Despite the fact that the
radiocarbon dates are only minimum dates, they clearly
demonstrate that the Carolina Bays predate the Younger Dryas

2. optically stimulated luminescence (OSL) dating is now
a well established and proven dating method, which gives
credible dates for the age of these landforms. A person might
argued for mxing of older and younger sand, except that
Dr. Ivester, whom I personally discussed this matter with
on the GSA 2008 Meeting sand mantle, biomantle, mima
mound field trip told me that he did not find the anomalies
in the raw data for his dates that such mixing would create.
Also, a person can always use single-grain OSL dating to
unequivocally test for such mixing. Given that Dr. Ivester is
a very experienced Quaternary geologist, the claim he dated
the wrong material, in my opinion is the type of lame excuse
that I hear from Young Earth creationists when the data
refutes what they want to believe is the truth. If a person is
going to make this claim, they need to back it up with hard
and well-documented facts for it to be credible in any
manner at all.

3. the pollen records from several Carolina Bays clearly
go back to the last Glacial Maximum and in one bay,
back to Oxygen Isotope Stage 5a. In many more Carolina
Bays, the paleoenvironmental records start during full
glacial conditions, several thousands of years before the
hypothesized Younger Dryas event. Common sense and
basic stratigraphic principles dictate that the Carolina Bays
containing these records existed before any hypothesized
Younger Dryas events as it is physically impossible for
any sort of exterrestrial event / impact to create craters
thousands of years before it occurs. It is impossible for
mixing of sediment to have produced these records as
the paleoenvironmental records recovered from Carolina
Bays correlate precisely in time and nature to palynological
records from non-Carolina Bay lakes and swamps in the
same area as a Carolina Bay.

4. Cross-cutting relationships between well dated fluvial
terraces (lacking Carolina Bays) cut and inset into older
terraces and the Carolina Bays they exhibit establish the
minimum age of Carolina Bays. Similarly the superposition
dunes fields, which formed during the Late Glacial
Maximum and lacking Carolina Bays, upon Carolina
Bays that they partial bury, establish the preYounger
Dryas age of the Carolina Bays. Both cross-cutting
relationships and superposition is documented in great
detail by LIDAR DEMs available for large parts of the
Atlantic Coast.

5. Stratified archaeological sites demonstrates how
Carolina Bays have been modified after the Younger
Dryas. Carolina Bays on restricted government
reservations indicate how historic agriculture and
urban development have modified Carolina Bays
during the last few decades by comparison.

6. All the presence of hypothesized impactites filling
the Carolina Bays indicates is that preexisting Carolina
Bays was filled by material from this hypothesized impact.
The presence of hypothetical impactites within the loose
soils of coastal plain sands forming the rim of Carolina
Bays indicate is that bioturbation mixed material falling
on the surface of into the loose sand forming the rims.
The churning of surface materials deep into thick sandy
epipedons is a well documented and well known process.

7. In the northern extent of the distribution of Carolina
Bays, their orientation varies by over 120 degrees and based
upon cross-cutting relationships and great differences in
the degree of degradation of their rims strong indication
of multiple generations of Carolina Bays having formed at
greatly different time. The claim by Firestone that both the
Carolina Bays and playa and other lakes point at a central
point is based him having overlooked a significant amount
of orientation data that both subtly and grossly contradicts
and ultimately refutes this claim of his.

8. Although it is still in the realm of speculation, there
appears to be evidence that indicates that the Carolina Bays
in the Midlothian area are much older than the typical
Carolina Bays that are found on Pleistocene coast-wise

In my opinion, As far as the Carolina Bays are concerned,
they are a nothing more than a time-consuming red herring
of gigantic proportions. Even if the Carolina Bays are impact
features of some sort, they clearly are much too old be
connected in anyway with a Younger Dryas event.

I am not going into references and figures because I am
pulling this all together into a paper that I am working and
will submit to a journal that I know will both welcome it
and have it rigorously peer-reviewed. Before submitting
it, I will also have two or three select people review it.


Paul H.

Saturday, 14 November 2009

Is there a "search window" / search Option for "Meteorite Mailing List" ?????

Is there a "search window" / search Option for "Meteorite Mailing List" ?????

oxytropidoceras at oxytropidoceras at
Sat Nov 14 18:39:08 EST 2009

Carl wrote:
In [meteorite-list] WHY HELP A DUMB ASS NEWBIE?

>For those not familiar with Howard's input, please type

>"Howard Steffic" in the search window.

Did you write "Search Window"??

Does the Meteorite Mailing list have a "search window" / way of searching its postings? If so, could someone explain where it can be found. If not, maybe it is time that the posts on this list are made searchable using key words and author's names in some manner.

Best Regards,

Paul H.

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Latvia Meteorite Hoax

Latvia Meteorite Hoax

oxytropidoceras at oxytropidoceras at
Sat Nov 14 12:18:30 EST 2009

Dear Friends,

Below are a collection of articles about the Latvia Meteorite Hoax.

Geologist: Mazsalaca "meteorite" in Latvia is man-made,
Baltic Course, Oct. 27, 2009

Mobile Firm Admits 'Meteor' Was A PR Stunt
Sky News, Oct. 27, 2009,

Mobile firm behind meteorite hoax The Press
Association, Oct. 27, 2009,

The hole was too tidy to have been caused by
a meteorite, he said, BBC News, Oct. 26, 2009?

'Meteor' blast hoax revealed, by Harry Haydon,
The Sun,

Tele2 planned meteorite hoax with media agency
Inspired, The Baltic Course, Oct. 27, 2009


Paul H.

Friday, 13 November 2009

Corrected URLs for "Mini ice age took hold of Europe in months" Post

Corrected URLs for "Mini ice age took hold of Europe in months" Post

oxytropidoceras at oxytropidoceras at
Fri Nov 13 13:52:05 EST 2009

The correct URLs for the papers mentioned in "Mini ice age
took hold of Europe in months" post are:

Wiersma, A. P., and H. Renssen, 2006, Model-data
comparison for the 8.2 ka BP event: confirmation of
a forcing mechanism by catastrophic drainage of
Laurentide Lakes. Quaternary Science Reviews.
vol. 25, no. 1-2, pp. 63-88.

Another paper is:

Alleya, R. A., and A. M. Agustsdottira, 2005, The 8k
event: cause and consequences of a major Holocene
abrupt climate change. Quaternary Science Reviews.
vol. 24, no. 10-11, pp. 1123-1149.

Mini ice age took hold of Europe in months

Mini ice age took hold of Europe in months

oxytropidoceras at oxytropidoceras at
Fri Nov 13 13:48:48 EST 2009

Mini ice age took hold of Europe in months
by Kate Ravilious, Nov. 11, 2009, New Scientist
Magazine no. 2734,

Dr. William Patterson’s Publications can be found at:

The above article stated:

“Two studies published in 2006 show that the same
thing happened again 8200 years ago, when the
Northern hemisphere went through another cold spell”

The New Scientist article about these two studies is:

Broken ice dam blamed for 300-year chill by Kurt
Kleiner, January 10, 2006, New Scientist Magazine.

“In the new papers, one in the Proceedings of the
National Academy of Sciences and the other in the
current Quaternary Science Reviews, two teams of
researchers using different computer models say
that both models show that such a freshwater flood
could shut down ocean circulation in a way that is
consistent with temperature data from the time.”

These papers demonstrate that processes other than
extraterrestrial impacts can cause events very similar
to the Youmnger Dryas interval. They are:

LeGrande, A. N., G. A. Schmidt, D. T. Shindell, C. V.
Field, R. L. Miller, D. M. Koch, G. Faluvegi, and G.
Hoffmann, 2006, Consistent simulations of multiple
proxy responses to an abrupt climate change event.
Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences of
the United States, vol. 103 no. 4, pp. 837-842

Wiersma, A. P., and H. Renssen, 2006, Model-data
comparison for the 8.2 ka BP event: confirmation of
a forcing mechanism by catastrophic drainage of
Laurentide Lakes. Quaternary Science Reviews.
vol. 25, no. 1-2, pp. 63-88."

Another paper is:

Alleya, R. A., and A. M. Agustsdottira, 2005, The 8k
event: cause and consequences of a major Holocene
abrupt climate change. Quaternary Science Reviews.
vol. 24, no. 10-11, pp. 1123-1149."


Paul H.

Thursday, 12 November 2009

YD impact - doing as best they can

YD impact - doing as best they can

oxytropidoceras at oxytropidoceras at
Thu Nov 12 14:59:31 EST 2009

In response to " Newly Published Junk Science on Younger Dryas Impact" at:
E.P. Grondine stated:

"All I can do is re-iterate that there is no reason
for several of the peoples to have made up stories
of this impact, other than that it did occur. So I
have a very pro-impact bias, which you can dismiss
as nonsense based on fairly tales if you like.”

First a problem is that Native American oral history is not a
straight forward historical account as you insist that it is. It also
includes tribal religious beliefs and moral instruction. As a result,
history has been interpreted to support religion. Also, it contains
symbolism, which cannot be separate from historical observations.
Thus, it is a mistake to insist that Native American tradition be
interpreted literally just like Young Earth creationists insists the
Bible be interpreted literally. You are making materialistic
interpretations of literature that hopefully mixed together with
significant amounts of religious revelation, symbolism, and

Finally, the Native American oral history lacks any precise and
reliable chronology. Even though oral history make mentions
of an event, it is impossible for you or anyone else to argue that
an event described in oral history is contemporaneous a
hypothesize Younger Dryas event. The events that you talk may
have happened hundreds, thousands, or tens of thousands years
before the were first recorded in written form. There is a lack of
any means of securely dating events described in oral history
even if their reality and character is correctly interpreted by you.

If civilization was to crumble in the near future and either the
“Stars Fell on Alabama” lyrics were to survive, in oral tradition,
this cataclysm, I can vision future archaeologists and
anthropologists arguing over whether this song is evidence of
the event that caused the fall of our civilization or an earlier
cataclysm at the end of the Pleistocene. If this song was only
preserved in oral history, there would be no way of
determining when the event recorded in this song occurred.

Grondine further wrote:

“Except for the sudden drop in population
evidenced by the ending of quarry usage."

This interpretation, as a number of interpretations is hotly disputed
and remains unsettled at this time.

“While Firestone is a nuclear physicist with little
geological training, in point of fact the layer with
the markers is thin - there was not much material
deposited by this impact, unlike Chicxulub and
Shiva. So unless Ivester was very careful in his
sampling, he could have missed it.”

You are completely confused here. Dr. Firestone’s comments
concerned only optically stimulated luminescence (OSL) dating)
done by Ivester. The dismissive remarks by Dr. Firestone had
nothing to with impact ejecta or indicators of any type. Your
comments about Ivester missing a thin impact layer are totally
beside the point and irreverent to the discussion.

... irreverent Vogon Poetry about NASA omitted...

Grodine continued:

“Also, it is entirely possible that neutron production
in impact threw off Ivester's OSL dates. (Odessa

If you take the time to read what is published about OSL dating, you will find that what you propose above scientifically bankrupt
nonsense. This is just a lame ad hoc hypothesis to arbitrarily
dismiss some unpleasant facts.

Grodine continued:

“As far as one point of impact goes, I can agree
with you about not being in the Lakes. Why?
The Five Nations would not have survived
and left us their account of it. I still favor the
Kiscoty, Alberta structure. Perhaps there are
other similar structures evidencing impacts in
ice sheets elsewhere, but then NASA is spending
$0 looking for them.”

Do you mean “Kitscoty”, not “Kiscoty”? The 2009 SEIS impact
crater database does not list any such reported impact structure.

...more Vogon Poetry about NASA and Morrison omitted...

Finally, Grodine stated:

“Dr. Firestone must be getting closer to nailing
this one down, or he would not upset you so.”

Given that Firestone has only managed with his latest article to
the get the attention of a single rather unimportant, insignificant
person, me, who only has a M.S. in Geology and the other
99.999 percent could care less about what he wrote in it, it
appears that Dr. Firestone nailed only his thumb and nothing
else according to the above logic.

In sharp contrast, the papers written by Dr. Kennett and others
have gotten the attention of major researchers and generated
additional research, and publication.

Best Regards,

Paul H.

Wednesday, 11 November 2009

Newly Published Junk Science on Younger Dryas Impact

Newly Published Junk Science on Younger Dryas Impact

oxytropidoceras at oxytropidoceras at
Wed Nov 11 09:34:47 EST 2009

Darren Garrison quoted:

"On Wed, 11 Nov 2009 8:21:51 -0500, you wrote:

scientists into the validity of Younger Dryas hypothesis.
This paper shows the same basic illiteracy in geology
and geomorphology that characterizes "The Cycle of
Cosmic Catastrophes: How a"Stone-Age Comet
Changed the Course of World Culture."

Darren asked

"Hi, Paul. Did you read that book?"

Yes, I read the book. After finishing it, I was thankful that I
only paid fifty cents for a hard copy of it at a garage sale. The
accuracy with which the book correctly explained and
represented basic geologic principles and the scientific
literature that it cited was somewhere between the worst of
the term papers that I graded in Physical and Historical
Geology laboratories and books written by Young Earth
creationists. The few geologist and geomorphologists, who
I know have bothered to read this book have very similar
opinions of it.

Darrel wrote:

"Did you manage to finish it?"

Yes, I did. I took a bunch of notes for a review of the book that
I was going to do for the Hall of Maat web page, but never
found the time to write.


Paul H.

Newly Published Junk Science on Younger Dryas Impact

Newly Published Junk Science on Younger Dryas Impact

oxytropidoceras at oxytropidoceras at
Wed Nov 11 08:21:15 EST 2009

Dear Friends,

Dr. Firestone has outdone himself by publishing what is a rather
wretched piece of junk science on the Younger Dryas impact in
a new web "Journal". This paper is:

Firestone, R. B., 2009, The Case for the Younger Dryas
Extraterrestrial Impact Event: Mammoth, Megafauna, and Clovis
Extinction, 12,900 Years Ago. Journal of Cosmology. vol. 2,
pp. 256-285.

I say that this paper is wretched because it shows a clear lack
of understanding of the published literature concerning various
aspects of geology and geomorphology For example, it completely
confuses the playa lakes of the High Plains with the Carolina Bays.
He either ignore or overlooks data and ignoring the research,
including dating of these features, that has been conducted by Dr.
Vance Holliday and others that completely refutes any association
between these lakes and the hypothesized Younger Dryas impact.

In addition, in this paper, Dr. Firestone, excluding the rather small
Charity Shoal feature whose age is still unknown, again claims
without any credible evidence that there are major impact structures
in the Great Lakes. This is based upon the unsupported and refutable
claim that glacial erosion is incapable of producing the deepest
parts of the Great Lakes. No mention is made of the documented
fact that undisturbed glacial tills and lake sediments predating the
Younger Dryas impact fill the lake bottom depressions, which Dr.
Firestone claims to Younger Dryas Impact craters.

In another case, Dr. Firestone dismisses out of hand, without any
credible explanation, the OSL dates of Dr. Alexander Ivester of the
Carolina Bays as being the result of improper sampling. Having
corresponded with Dr. Ivester I know that he was very, very careful
in his sampling. The unsupported claims by Dr. Firestone of Dr.
Ivester engaging in careless sampling is not only entirely unfounded,
but is a quite ignorant and completely undeserved insult on Dr.
Ivester's ability as a very exacting Quaternary geologist and
geochronologist. Dr. Ivester is very well trained in geomorphology
and Quaternary and was trained by one of the best Quaternary
geologists in business in the Southeast, Dr. David Leigh. Also, if
Dr. Firestone would look at the geologicalmaps of the Pleistocene
terraces of the North Atlantic coastal plain, he would find that the
Carolina Bays are only found on fluvial and coast-wise terraces that
are older than Marine Isotope Stage 2, which readily refutes any
claim that they formed by a much younger Younger Dryas impact.

All this paper will accomplish is cause geologists and Quaternary
geologists to ignore the serious research being conducted by other
scientists into the validity of Younger Dryas hypothesis. This paper
shows the same basic illiteracy in geology and geomorphology
that characterizes "The Cycle of Cosmic Catastrophes: How a
Stone-Age Comet Changed the Course of World Culture."


Paul H.

Sunday, 8 November 2009

Sudbury Impact Ended Creation of Banded Iron Formations

Sudbury Impact Ended Creation of Banded Iron Formations

oxytropidoceras at oxytropidoceras at
Sun Nov 8 11:30:05 EST 2009

There is a new paper published in the November 2009 issue of Geology
that argues that the Sudbury Impact in Canada ended the creation of
Banded Iron Formations during the Precambrian.

The paper is

Slack, J. F. and W. F. Cannon, 2009, Extraterrestrial demise of banded
iron formations 1.85 billion years ago. Geology. vol. 37, no. 11, pp. 1011-1014,

Previous Geological Society of America Meeting abstracts can be found at:

Other web pages:

Banded iron formation

Banded Iron Formation

Geologic evidence for major environmental change


Paul H.

Friday, 6 November 2009

More K-T / K-Pg Boundary Papers

More K-T / K-Pg Boundary Papers

oxytropidoceras at oxytropidoceras at
Fri Nov 6 08:51:27 EST 2009

Dear Listmembers,

Below is another PDF file containing information about the
K-T / K-Pg Boundary event.

1. Rapid Environmental/Climate Changes And Catastrophic
Events in Late Cretaceous and Early Paleocene: RECCCE
Workshop, IGCP 555 European Group Meeting Abstracts
and Excursion Guide April 25th – 28th, 2009 Gams, Austria

Workshop and Joint Seminar coorganized by Austrian
Science Fund FWF, Russian Foundation for Basic Research
RFBR, Austrian Academy of Sciences (Austrian Committee
for IGCP), University of Vienna (Center for Earth Sciences),
Geological Survey of Austria, Nature Park Eisenwurzen, and
Styrian Nature Park Academy

The link to this publication is found on the "Cretaceous"
publications at as

Rapid Environental/Climate Changes and Catastrophic Events
in Late Cretaceous and Early Paleogene. RECCCE Workshop.
IGCP 555 European Group Meeting Abstracts and Excursion
Guide April 25th – 28th, 2009 Gams, Austria // Berichte
Geol. B.-A. 2009. Bd.78. 74 pp.

2. Another paper is:

Prauss, M. L., 2009, The K/Pg boundary at Brazos-River, Texas,
USA — An approach by marine palynology. Palaeogeography,
Palaeoclimatology, Palaeoecology. vol. 238, no. 3-4, pp. 195-215.

3. Finally free PDF files of a number of more papers about the
K-T / K-Pg Boundary can be found in "Christian KOEBERL,
Univ. Professor Dr. List of Publications" at:

This web page has all many other PDF files of papers about
other impact craters, impactites, meteorites, and related topics.


Paul H.

Thursday, 5 November 2009

New Paper on Identifying Impact Structures in "Earth-Science Reviews"

New Paper on Identifying Impact Structures in "Earth-Science Reviews"

oxytropidoceras at oxytropidoceras at
Thu Nov 5 08:11:08 EST 2009

A new paper has been published online. It critically
reviews the reliability of different criteria used
to identify extraterrestrial impact structures.

French, B. M., and Koeberl, C., in press, The
convincing identification of terrestrial meteorite
impact structures: What works, what doesn't, and why.
Earth-Science Reviews, Article in Press


Paul H.

Wednesday, 4 November 2009

"Ancient Atomic Bombs" (Libyan Desert Glass)

"Ancient Atomic Bombs" (Libyan Desert Glass)

oxytropidoceras at oxytropidoceras at
Wed Nov 4 23:18:20 EST 2009

In "Ancient Atomic Bombs" at,
Michael Groetz asked:

"Sand dunes in the Egyptian desert. What
phenomenon could be capable of raising
the temperature of desert sand to at least
3,300 degrees Fahrenheit, casting it into
great sheets of solid yellow-green glass?

The article in question is "Ancient Atomic Bombs" by
Leonardo Vintini, Epoch Times, Oct. 31, 2009,

Contrary to the claims made in the article, an
extraterrestrial impact of some sort is capable of
explaining the Libyan Desert Glass as this material
is commonly called. Many of the objections are made in
this article are based upon a mixture of misinformation
and falsehoods presented in this article; research
either ignored or overlooked by in this article; and
over lack of understanding of what is currently known
about Libyan Desert Glass.

First, the article dismisses the involvement of an
extraterrestrial impact because of the "absence of
accompanying craters in the desert." The absence of an
impact crater in the vicinity of the Libyan Desert
Glass is not problem because an aerial burst, which
would have not left a crater, could have melted the
ground's surface to create it. Various researchers
have used computer models to demonstrate that this
physically possible. they include:

Boslough, M. B. E., and D.A. Crawford, 2008, Low-
altitude airbursts and the impact threat. International
Journal of Impact Engineering. vol. 35, no. 12,
pp. 1441-1448.

Svetsov V. V. and Wasson J. T. 2007. Melting of Soil
Rich in Quartz by Radiation from Aerial Bursts - A
Possible Cause of Formation of Libyan Desert Glass
and Layered Tektites. Abstracts of the Lunar and
Planetary Science Conference. 38th, Abstract no. 1499.

Wasson J. T., 2003., Large Aerial Bursts: An Important
Class of Terrestrial Accretionary Events. Astrobiology.
vol. 3, no. 1, pp. 163-179.

In addition, the Libyan Desert Glass (LDG) occurs as
surface lag composed of loose cobbles, pebbles, and
granules. Since the LDG is found in place, it allows for
a number of explanations of how the material was
created. These include the LDG is what remains of
former melt pool of a crater that has since been
eroded away, leaving a lag of fragmented glass, is
what remains of a solid sheet of glass created by an
aerial burst that has been completely fragmented by
subsequent erosion; and is what remains of impactites
created elsewhere outside its current distribution
and subsequently eroded from its original source, and
transported to where it is now found. There are a
number of pros and cons to these and other ideas
about how LDG formed, which are too lengthy to discuss
in any detail in this post.

The LDG is similar to Mong Nong-type tektites, which
with other Australasian tektites are of impact origin
and lack a known impact crater. ("impact origin" includes
both the terrestrial impact origin and impact of lunar
material hypotheses.) Thus, the LDG is not the only
glassy impactite that lacks a known crater.

Pertinent reference:

Ramirez-Cardona, M., El-Barkooky, A. Hamdan, M. Flores-
Castro, K., Jimenez-Martinez, N. I., and Mendoza-
Espinosa, M., 2008, On the Libyan Desert Silica Glass
(LDSG) transport model from a hypothetical impact
structure. PIS-01 General contributions to impact
structures, International Geological Congress Oslo
2008, Oslo, Norway.

The Epoch time article notes that:

"Neither satellite imagery nor sonar
has been able to find any holes."

The problem here is that "sonar" is not used to find
impact craters on land. In fact, it would be impossible
to use sonar for any purpose in the Sahara Desert where
LDG is found. This misinformation is an excellent
indication of an extreme lack of understanding of basic
science, bordering on illiteracy, on the part of this
article. The stilted and very imprecise use of terminology
in this article also a basic lack of scientific understanding
on the part of this article.

For some information on Sonar go read "Sonar" at:

"...the glass rocks found in the Libyan
Desert present a grade of transparency
and purity (99 percent) that is not typical
in the fusions of fallen meteorites, in
which iron and other materials are mixed in
with the cast silicon after the impact."

1. LDG varies greatly in transparency from being almost
transparent to being either translucent or opaque. There
is nothing about its transparency that preclude LDG from
being an impactite.

2. The percentage of silica in LDG matches the percentage
of silica found in sandstone bedrock that underlies the
areas in which LDG has been found, the location of at least
two impact structures near the area containing LDG; and
larges areas of the desert surrounding both the impact
structures and where LDG is found.

3. The LDG does contain extraterrestrial material derived
from meteorites / an asteroid mixed in with it. This Epoch
Times article is completely wrong about the absence of an
extraterrestrial component being presence within LDG.

A few of very many pertinent papers:

Abate, B., Koeberl, C., Kruger, F. J., and Underwood, J.
R., 1999, BP and Oasis impact structures, Libya, and their
relation to Libyan Desert Glass. In Dressler, B. O., and
Sharpton, V. L., eds., Gpp. 177-192. Geological Society
of America Special Paper no. 339.

Barrat J. A., Jahn B. M., Amosse J., Rocchia R., Keller,
F., Poupeau G. R., and Diemer E., 1997, Geochemistry and
origin of Libyan Desert glasses. Geochimica et Cosmochimica
Acta. vol. 61, no. 9, pp. 1953-1959.

Fudali, R. F., 1981, The major element chemistry of
Libyan desert glass and the mineralogy of its precursor.
Meteoritics. vol 16, pp. 247-259.

Kleinmann, B., 1969, The breakdown of zircon observed
in the Libyan desert glass as evidence of its impact
origin. Earth and Planetary Science Letters, vol. 5,
pp. 497-501.

Koeberl, C., 1996, Libyan Desert Glass: geochemical
composition and origin. In: de Michele, V., ed.,
pp. 121-131, Special publication of the Sahara Journal
- Silica '96. Proceedings of the Meeting on Libyan
Desert Glass and Related Events, July 1996, Milano.

Koeberl C., 2000, Confirmation of a meteoric component
in Libyan Desert Glass from osmium isotopic data.
Meteoritics & Planetary Science. vol. 35 (Supplement),
pp. A89-A90.

Koeberl C., Rampino M. R., Jalufka D. A. and Winiarski
D. H., 2003, A 2003 Expedition into the Libyan Desert
Glass Strewn Field, Great Sand Sea, Western Egypt.
Proceedings of the meeting on Large Meteorite Impacts
(2003), Lunar and Planetary Institute, USRA, Center of
Advanced Studies, Abstract no. 4079.

This epoch times article also stated:

"However, this doesn't explain how two of
the areas found in close proximity in the
Libyan Desert show the same pattern the
probability of two meteorite impacts so
close is very low."

Part of the problem here, is that the people who promote
the Libyan desert glass (LDG) as evidence of ancient
nuclear warfare ignore the fact that the LDG occurs as
erosional lags produced by the erosion, transportation
and redeposition of pieces of it over a period of millions
of years. Contrary to poetic descriptions by various
alternative archaeologists and early geologists, the "
glass fields" are not primary deposits formed by the either
the original airfall, base surge, or in place melting of
local sand. Rather, the LDG occurs as secondary, even
tertiary, concentrations, created over 26 million years,
of the more resistant pieces of LDG. The original Neogene
deposits, which either contained the LDG or on which formed
or fell have been eroded and the LDG released from them,
possibly transported some distance; and concentrated as
an erosional lag on the ground surface. As a result, the
current distribution of LDG likely is unrelated to its
origin. The present distribution of LDG reflects what has
happened to it over the last 26 million years instead of
how it was created.

Finally, the Epoch Times article states:

"Nor does it explain the absence of water
in the tektite specimens when these areas of
impact were thought to be covered in it some
14,000 years ago.'

1. The intense heat of formation of LDG is perfectly capable
of explaining its extremely low water content.

2. The LDG formed about 29 million years ago, not 14,000
year ago as this article incorrectly states above. Given
the age of LDG, it is impossible for this material to have
any connection with modern humans and manmade objects such
as nuclear weapons.

A few of many pertinent references:

Horn P., Müller-Sohnius D., Schaaf P., Kleinmann B. and
Storzer D., 1997, Potassium-argon and fission-track dating
of Libyan Desert Glass and strontium and neodymium constraints
on its source rocks. In: de Michele, V., ed., pp. 59-73,
Special publication of the Sahara Journal - Silica '96.
Proceedings of the Meeting on Libyan Desert Glass and Related
Events, July 1996, Milano.

Matsubara, K., Matsuda, J.I., and Koeberl, C., 1991, Noble
gases and K-Ar ages in Aouelloul, Zhamanshin, and Libyan
Desert impact glasses. Geochimica et Cosmochimica Acta
vol. 55, pp. 2951-2955.

This article fails to provide any convincing evidence that
there is any connection between LDG and ancient nuclear
warefare and that LDG is not an impactite. This Epoch Times
article does provide a lot misinformation and simply ignores
any research that contradicts its preconceived notions about
how LDG might have formed.


Paul H

Making Short Links (Tiny URL) was "Re Dust in the Wind"

Making Short Links (Tiny URL) was "Re Dust in the Wind"

oxytropidoceras at oxytropidoceras at
Wed Nov 4 20:17:20 EST 2009

Graham wrote:

"and here is where the detail is...sorry about the long link...
never have figured out how to make those short links!!"

The best way to make short links is use the "Tiny URL" web page at:

There is more information about "Tiny URL" at;

Also, there is "URL Toolbox: 90+ URL Shortening Services" at;

And "URL Shortening Services" at:

However, there are problems with Tiny URLs that are discussed in
"URL shortening" at;

Best Regards,

Paul H.

PDF Files of Papers About K-T and Alledged Younger Dryas Impacts

PDF Files of Papers About K-T and Alledged Younger Dryas Impacts

oxytropidoceras at oxytropidoceras at
Wed Nov 4 19:59:58 EST 2009

I. Bass River Drilling Project - Cretaceous-Tertiary Boundary

Ejecta layer at the K/T Boundary, Bass River, New Jersey by R. K. Olsson
and K. G. Miller

II. Chicxulub crater deep drilling project web page at:

III. PDF Files of Philippe Claeys's Papers

There are a number of links to PDF files of papers concerning the
Chicxulub Crater and the Cretaceous - Tertiary (KT) Boundary
Mass Extinction Event by Philippe Claeys towards on his web
page at:

They include:

Schulte, P., Speijer, R.P., Brinkhuis H., Kontny, A.,
Claeys, Ph., Galeotti, S., and Smit, J., 2008, Comment
on the paper: "Chicxulub impact predates K-T boundary:
New evidence from Brazos, Texas" by Keller et al.
(2007). Earth and Planetary Science Letters. vol. 269,
pp. 614-620.

Tagle R., Erzinger, J., Hecht, L., Schmitt, R. T.,
Stoeffler, D., and Claeys, Ph., 2004, Platinum group
elements in impactites of the ICDP Chicxulub drill core
Yaxcopoil-1. Are there traces of the projectile ?
Meteoritics and Planetary Science. vol. 39, pp. 1009-1016,

Urrutia-Fucugauchi, J., Morgan, J., Stoeffler, D., and Claeys,
Ph.,2004, The Chicxulub Scientific Drilling Project (CSDP).
Meteoritics and Planetary Science, vol. 39, pp. 787-790.

Claeys, Ph., Heuschkel, S., Lounejeva-Baturina, E., Sanchez-
Rubio, G., Stoeffler, D., The suevite of drill hole Yucatan 6
in the Chicxulub impact crater. Meteoritics and Planetary
Science. vol. 38, pp. 1299-1317.

Claeys, Ph., Kiessling, W. and Alvarez, W., 2002, Distribution
of Chicxulub ejecta at the Cretaceous-Tertiary Boundary.
Geological Society of America Special Paper no. 356, pp. 55-69.
Kiessling, W. and Claeys, Ph., 2001, geographic database
approach to the K/T boundary. In Geological and Biological
Effects of Impact Events. Eds. E. Buffetaut, and Koeberl C.,
Impact Studies, Springer Verlag Berlin p.83-140.

Jones, A.P., Claeys, Ph., and Heuschkel, S. Impact melting:
a review of experimental constraints for carbonate targets
and applications to the Chicxulub crater. In Impact and
Early Earth. Eds. I. Gilmour and C. Koeberl, Lecture Notes
in Earth Sciences, v. 91, p. 343-362, Springer Verlag Berlin.

Grajales-Nishimura, J. M., Cedillo-Pardo, E., Rosales-Domínguez,
C., Morán-Zenteno, J. D., Alvarez, W., Claeys, Ph., Ruíz-Morales,
J., García-Hernández, J., Padilla-Avila, P., and Sánchez-Ríos,
A., 1999, The Chicxulub impact: source for reservoirs and seals in
southeastern Mexico oil fields. Geology. vol. 28, no. 4, pp. 307-310.

Pope, K.O., Ocampo, A.C., Fisher, A. G., Alvarez W., Fouke,
B.W., Webster, C.L. Jr., Vega, F., Smit, J., Frische A. E.,
and Claeys, Ph., 1999, Proximal Chicxulub impact ejecta from
Albion Island, Belize. Earth and Planetary Science Letters.
vol. 170, pp. 351-364.

Smit J., Roep, T.B., Alvarez W., Montanari, A., Claeys Ph.,
Grajales-Nishimura, J.M., and Bermudez, J., 1996, Coarse-grained,
clastic sandstone complex at the KT boundary around the Gulf
of Mexico: Deposition by tsunami waves induced by the Chicxulub
impact? Geological Society of America Special Paper, vol. 307, pp. 151-182.

Warren, P. H., Claeys Ph. and Cedillo-Pardo E., 1996, Mega-
impact melt petrology (Chicxulub, Sudbury, and the Moon):
Effects of scale and other factors on potential for fractional
crystallization and development of cumulates. Geological
Society of America Special Paper. vol. 307, pp. 105-124.

IV PDF files of some of his popular works can
be found in "Outreach to the media and public" at

They include comments by him about the hypothesized
terminal Pleistocene "Clovis Comet" impact. including:

Le monde, 21 June 2008, interview in article: "La
thÅse de la mÄtÄorite tueuse de Mammouths sucite
de vifs dÄbats" [click here for article].

Le monde, 05 January 2009, interview in article:
"Une crise Äcologique tombÄe du ciel il y a 12900 ans?"

De Standaard, De Morgen, Het Laatste Nieuws, the
3 major Flemish newspapers, 20 October 2009, articles:
"Mammoet stierf niet uit door buitenaardse inslag"

Le monde, 21 June 2008, interview in article: "La
thÅse de la mÄtÄorite tueuse de Mammouths sucite
de vifs dÄbats"


Paul H.