9,000-Year-Old Bison Mummy Found in Siberia
9,000-Year-Old Bison Mummy Found Frozen in Time
by Elizabeth Palermo, Live Sceince, November 06, 2014
http://www.livescience.com/48653-bison-mummy-brains-organs.html
Photos: 9,000-Year-Old Bison Mummy Found in Siberia
by Elizabeth Palermo, Live Science, November 06, 2014
http://www.livescience.com/48645-bison-mummy-photos.html
Complete 9,000 Year-Old Frozen Bison Found in Siberia
Society of Vertebrate Paleontology, Novmber 2914
http://vertpaleo.org/The-Society/SVP---Paleo-News/Society-News-and-Events/Press-Release---Complete-9000-Year-Old-Frozen-Biso.aspx
Complete 9,000-year-old frozen bison mummy found
in Siberia, Science Daily, November 6, 2014
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/11/141106113257.htm
Another recent bison fossil in Bison Bob in Alaska.
Rare Bison Discovered in Alaskan Permafrost
by Larry O'Hanlon, Discovery News, Nov. 5, 2014
http://news.discovery.com/adventure/rare-bison-discovered-in-alaskan-permafrost-130205.htm
Bison Bob a big discovery on the North Slope by Ned Rozell
Article #2152, Alaska Science Forum, January 24, 2013
http://www.gi.alaska.edu/AlaskaScienceForum/article/bison-bob-big-discovery-north-slope
Yours,
Paul H.
Showing posts with label Siberia. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Siberia. Show all posts
Saturday, 22 November 2014
Monday, 17 November 2014
Scientists Descend Into Siberia's Mystery Crater
Scientists Descend Into Siberia's Mystery Crater
Pictures: Explorers Descend Into Siberia's Mystery
Crater, National Geographic, November 14, 2104
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2014/11/pictures/141114-siberian-hole-cave-yamal-peninsula-science/
Descending into the depths of Siberia's mystery
crater: Experts explore 98ft-wide hole to learn
more about its origins. Mail Online, Nov. 12, 2104
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2831238/Descending-depths-Siberia-s-mystery-crater-Experts-explore-98ft-wide-hole-learn-origins.html
Russian research team explores giant Siberian
sinkhole, The Guardian, November 12, 2014
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/nov/12/research-climb-giant-siberian-sinkhole
Yours,
Paul H.
Pictures: Explorers Descend Into Siberia's Mystery
Crater, National Geographic, November 14, 2104
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2014/11/pictures/141114-siberian-hole-cave-yamal-peninsula-science/
Descending into the depths of Siberia's mystery
crater: Experts explore 98ft-wide hole to learn
more about its origins. Mail Online, Nov. 12, 2104
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2831238/Descending-depths-Siberia-s-mystery-crater-Experts-explore-98ft-wide-hole-learn-origins.html
Russian research team explores giant Siberian
sinkhole, The Guardian, November 12, 2014
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/nov/12/research-climb-giant-siberian-sinkhole
Yours,
Paul H.
Monday, 17 February 2014
Pingos not so rare and not so mysterious was Strange (Landform) in Siberia
Pingos not so rare and not so mysterious was Strange (Landform) in Siberia
In “Pingos not so rare and not so mysterious was
Strange (Landform) in Siberia” at
http://lists.drizzle.com/pipermail/rockhounds_lists.drizzle.com/2014-February/002504.html
Eman wrote:
“This file shows the basalt and tuff surface geology of
the Siberian Trapps--again covering the Irkustsk Region:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Extent_of_Siberian_traps_german.png
Note the extensive lobes of lava flow on the Irkustsk
southern border.”
The above inferences that are made above from an
extremely generalized and quite vague geologic map
from Wikipedia showing the extent of then Siberian
trap are completely wrong according to direct field
observations made of the geology of the Patom Cone
(a.k.a. Patomsky crater, Patom crater, or Eagle Nest)
by Soviet and Russian geologists, who have visited it.
Both the Wikipedia map and especially its source map
on the Mantle Plumes web site are quite useless in
determining the local geology of the Patom Cone.
These maps lack the needed resolution; their scale is
much too small; and their outcrops are far too
generalized to be of any use. Descriptions of the local
geology of Patom Cone area by Alekseyev (2012),
Antipin and Fedorov (2008), and Ermolin et al. (2011)
all demonstrate that volcanic rocks associated with the
Siberian Traps or any other volcanism are completely
absent from the immediate vicinity of the Patom Cone.
Instead, the local bedrock consists of folded, Proterozoic
limestones and quartz sandstones of the Mariinsk
Formation The Patom Cone rests directly on the
southwestward dipping limestones of the Mariinsk
Formation as shown the above papers.
Eman also wrote:
“Now consult the ground or space photos ( original
links and/or Goggle Earth) of this cone and note the
apparent adjacent lava strata exposures and their down
slope orientation.”
Geological maps in the published literature, i.e.
Figure 2 of Antipin and Fedorov (2008), clearly
demonstrate that the “apparent adjacent lava strata
exposures” consist only of Proterozoic limestone and
quartz sandstone of the Mariinsk Formation. They
are dipping to the southwest at 25 to 40 degrees.
Eman also wrote:
“This is consistent with the formation conditions for
pingo and also explains the presence of a block of
"pillow lava" in the cone's center.”
Descriptions of lithology of the rock comprising the
Patom Cone can be found in Alekseyev (2012) and
Antipin and Fedorov (2008) In these descriptions of the
Patom Crater that can be found in the above papers,
there is a complete lack of any mention of any pillow
lava or any other volcanic rock having been found in
rock that comprises the Patom Cone. Specifically the
Patom Cone consists of 1 massive crystalline limestones
with quartz–muscovite carbonate veins; 2. Massive
fine-grained crystalline limestones with quartz veins;
and 3. weathered limestone rubble with rare blocks
of metamorphosed sandstones and schists. No mention
is made in any of the published papers that I have
found of the occurrence of either “pillow lavas” or
other volcanic rocks either in or associated with this
landform. Finally, the uncaptioned web page images,
which have been interpreted to be pillow lavas, are
clearly not pillow lavas. More likely, the features seen
in these images are the either spheroidal weathering
of highly deformed mudstones. There is a complete
absence of any documented evidence in the published
literature for the occurrence of Siberian traps or any
other volcanic rocks within the immediate vicinity the
Patom Cone.
One problem is that I cannot find any discussion of
where the pictures that have been interpreted to be
"pillow lava" were taken. It is unknown whether pictures
of the so-called "pillow lavas" are of either part of the
Patom Cone or adjacent outcrops.
Eman also wrote:
“Were this a feature (Patomsky Krater) studied by a
present day geologist…”
According to the published literature, the Patom Cone
was discovered in 1949 and has been periodically
studied and published on by Russian and Soviet
geologists since 1951 up until a 2012 paper, Alekseyev
(2012). The published literature clearly demonstrates
that “present day geologists” have been studying and
publishing on the Patom Cone. One problem is that
“naive photo journalists” and bloggers have ignored the
published research and instead decided to be
entertaining over being scientific. The other problem
is that much of the published literature is in Russian
and buried in paper publications with the exception
of the papers that can be found online. Fortunately, my
wife is fluent in both Russian and English and can
translate Russian-language geology papers for me.
As far as the Patom Cone being an unique structure,
Antipin and Fedorov (2008) noted that they have
searched the region of the Patom Cone in detail. As
Russian geologists, they and the Soviet geologists
before them would have access to aerial photocopy
that outside geologists would not have access to.
Antipin and Fedorov (2008) specifically states:
“Patom Crater (Fig. 1) is unique and the only object
of this kind in the vast area of Patom Highland.”
Since 1951, i.e. Kolpakov (1951), Soviet and Russian
geologists have been searching the region for additional
landforms like the of the Patom Cone and have found
none. If they conclude that it is an unique landform for
the region, I have to go along with their evaluation
unless someone can provide hard, well-documented
evidence to the contrary instead of hypothetical arm-
waving about how difficult it is to search the region.
I have met and know Soviet field geologists enough to
know that they are quite capable of mapping of geology
under very difficult circumstance in the field. Also, the
Soviet government and later the current Russian
government and private companies have devoted
enormous resources to geological mapping, including
the use of aerial imagery and other remote sensing, that
far exceeds what western governments had even begun
of thinking of doing. They have a an amazing grasp of
the geology of Russia that seems to be greatly
underestimated and underappreciated on this list. In
addition, the area of the Patom Cone has been the subject
of very detailed studies and searches using dedicated
aerial imagery and geophysical methdos in past several
years as noted in Alekseyev (2012). From what I have
found the Soviet and Russian geologists, who have
studied this landform, regard it as being unique within
the Patom Highlands in which it lies.
I agree that the Patom Cone is likely an odd sort of
periglacial landform, possibly related to pingos. However,
it is far more complicated in origin than being just
another “pingo.” Mindlessly dismissing this feature as a
“pingo” grossly disregards the unique features of this
landform that have been discussed in detail by the
geologists, i.e. Alekseyev (2012), Antipin and Fedorov
(2008), Antipin et al. (2011), Ermolin (2011), and
Kolpakov (1951), who have studied this landform in
the field and published on it.
References Cited
Alekseyev ,V.R., 2012. Cryovolcanism and the mystery
of the Patom cone. Geodynamics & Tectonophysics.
vol. 3, no. 3, pp. 289–307. doi:10.5800/GT-2012-3-3-0075.
http://popovgeo.professorjournal.ru/c/document_library/get_file?p_l_id=22997&folderId=69343&name=DLFE-36927.pdf
http://gt.crust.irk.ru/images/upload/tblarticle83/magazin83.pdf
http://gt.crust.irk.ru/article_83.html and
http://gt.crust.irk.ru/magazin2012_3.en.html
Antipin, V. S., and A. M. Fedorov, 2008, The origin of
Patom Crater, East Siberia, from geological and
geochemical data. Doklady Earth Sciences. vol. 423,
no. 2, pp. 1335-1339
http://link.springer.com/article/10.1134%2FS1028334X08090018
Antipin, V. S., A. M. Fedorov, S. I. Dril’, and V. I. Voronin,
2011, The new data on the origin of the Patom Crater (East
Siberia). Doklady Earth Sciences. vol. 440, no. 2, pp. 1391-1395
http://link.springer.com/article/10.1134%2FS1028334X11100187
Ermolin, E., O. Ingerov, and А. Saviсhev, 2012, Results of
AMT survey of Patom crater area. Extended Abstract, 21st
EM Induction Workshop Darwin, Australia, July 25-31, 2012.
http://www.21emiw.com/LiteratureRetrieve.aspx?ID=117868\\\
Kolpakov, V.V., 1951. A mysterious crater in the Patom
highland. Priroda. vol. 2, pp. 58–59.
Other papers expressing diverse opinions are:
Stazhevskii, S. B., 2011, Origination and development
mechanics of the Earth's morphostructures. Part I: Etiology
and evolution of the Patomsky crater. Journal of Mining
Science. vol. 47, no. 4, pp. 413-426.
http://link.springer.com/article/10.1134%2FS1062739147040034
Stazhevskii, S. B., 2012, Origination and development
mechanics of the Earth’s morphostructures. Part II: The
nature of diatreme, karst and trappean formations, and
the Chicxulub Crater origin. Journal of Mining Science.
vol. 48, no. 1, pp. 55-70.
http://link.springer.com/article/10.1134%2FS1062739148010078
Yours,
Paul H.
In “Pingos not so rare and not so mysterious was
Strange (Landform) in Siberia” at
http://lists.drizzle.com/pipermail/rockhounds_lists.drizzle.com/2014-February/002504.html
Eman wrote:
“This file shows the basalt and tuff surface geology of
the Siberian Trapps--again covering the Irkustsk Region:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Extent_of_Siberian_traps_german.png
Note the extensive lobes of lava flow on the Irkustsk
southern border.”
The above inferences that are made above from an
extremely generalized and quite vague geologic map
from Wikipedia showing the extent of then Siberian
trap are completely wrong according to direct field
observations made of the geology of the Patom Cone
(a.k.a. Patomsky crater, Patom crater, or Eagle Nest)
by Soviet and Russian geologists, who have visited it.
Both the Wikipedia map and especially its source map
on the Mantle Plumes web site are quite useless in
determining the local geology of the Patom Cone.
These maps lack the needed resolution; their scale is
much too small; and their outcrops are far too
generalized to be of any use. Descriptions of the local
geology of Patom Cone area by Alekseyev (2012),
Antipin and Fedorov (2008), and Ermolin et al. (2011)
all demonstrate that volcanic rocks associated with the
Siberian Traps or any other volcanism are completely
absent from the immediate vicinity of the Patom Cone.
Instead, the local bedrock consists of folded, Proterozoic
limestones and quartz sandstones of the Mariinsk
Formation The Patom Cone rests directly on the
southwestward dipping limestones of the Mariinsk
Formation as shown the above papers.
Eman also wrote:
“Now consult the ground or space photos ( original
links and/or Goggle Earth) of this cone and note the
apparent adjacent lava strata exposures and their down
slope orientation.”
Geological maps in the published literature, i.e.
Figure 2 of Antipin and Fedorov (2008), clearly
demonstrate that the “apparent adjacent lava strata
exposures” consist only of Proterozoic limestone and
quartz sandstone of the Mariinsk Formation. They
are dipping to the southwest at 25 to 40 degrees.
Eman also wrote:
“This is consistent with the formation conditions for
pingo and also explains the presence of a block of
"pillow lava" in the cone's center.”
Descriptions of lithology of the rock comprising the
Patom Cone can be found in Alekseyev (2012) and
Antipin and Fedorov (2008) In these descriptions of the
Patom Crater that can be found in the above papers,
there is a complete lack of any mention of any pillow
lava or any other volcanic rock having been found in
rock that comprises the Patom Cone. Specifically the
Patom Cone consists of 1 massive crystalline limestones
with quartz–muscovite carbonate veins; 2. Massive
fine-grained crystalline limestones with quartz veins;
and 3. weathered limestone rubble with rare blocks
of metamorphosed sandstones and schists. No mention
is made in any of the published papers that I have
found of the occurrence of either “pillow lavas” or
other volcanic rocks either in or associated with this
landform. Finally, the uncaptioned web page images,
which have been interpreted to be pillow lavas, are
clearly not pillow lavas. More likely, the features seen
in these images are the either spheroidal weathering
of highly deformed mudstones. There is a complete
absence of any documented evidence in the published
literature for the occurrence of Siberian traps or any
other volcanic rocks within the immediate vicinity the
Patom Cone.
One problem is that I cannot find any discussion of
where the pictures that have been interpreted to be
"pillow lava" were taken. It is unknown whether pictures
of the so-called "pillow lavas" are of either part of the
Patom Cone or adjacent outcrops.
Eman also wrote:
“Were this a feature (Patomsky Krater) studied by a
present day geologist…”
According to the published literature, the Patom Cone
was discovered in 1949 and has been periodically
studied and published on by Russian and Soviet
geologists since 1951 up until a 2012 paper, Alekseyev
(2012). The published literature clearly demonstrates
that “present day geologists” have been studying and
publishing on the Patom Cone. One problem is that
“naive photo journalists” and bloggers have ignored the
published research and instead decided to be
entertaining over being scientific. The other problem
is that much of the published literature is in Russian
and buried in paper publications with the exception
of the papers that can be found online. Fortunately, my
wife is fluent in both Russian and English and can
translate Russian-language geology papers for me.
As far as the Patom Cone being an unique structure,
Antipin and Fedorov (2008) noted that they have
searched the region of the Patom Cone in detail. As
Russian geologists, they and the Soviet geologists
before them would have access to aerial photocopy
that outside geologists would not have access to.
Antipin and Fedorov (2008) specifically states:
“Patom Crater (Fig. 1) is unique and the only object
of this kind in the vast area of Patom Highland.”
Since 1951, i.e. Kolpakov (1951), Soviet and Russian
geologists have been searching the region for additional
landforms like the of the Patom Cone and have found
none. If they conclude that it is an unique landform for
the region, I have to go along with their evaluation
unless someone can provide hard, well-documented
evidence to the contrary instead of hypothetical arm-
waving about how difficult it is to search the region.
I have met and know Soviet field geologists enough to
know that they are quite capable of mapping of geology
under very difficult circumstance in the field. Also, the
Soviet government and later the current Russian
government and private companies have devoted
enormous resources to geological mapping, including
the use of aerial imagery and other remote sensing, that
far exceeds what western governments had even begun
of thinking of doing. They have a an amazing grasp of
the geology of Russia that seems to be greatly
underestimated and underappreciated on this list. In
addition, the area of the Patom Cone has been the subject
of very detailed studies and searches using dedicated
aerial imagery and geophysical methdos in past several
years as noted in Alekseyev (2012). From what I have
found the Soviet and Russian geologists, who have
studied this landform, regard it as being unique within
the Patom Highlands in which it lies.
I agree that the Patom Cone is likely an odd sort of
periglacial landform, possibly related to pingos. However,
it is far more complicated in origin than being just
another “pingo.” Mindlessly dismissing this feature as a
“pingo” grossly disregards the unique features of this
landform that have been discussed in detail by the
geologists, i.e. Alekseyev (2012), Antipin and Fedorov
(2008), Antipin et al. (2011), Ermolin (2011), and
Kolpakov (1951), who have studied this landform in
the field and published on it.
References Cited
Alekseyev ,V.R., 2012. Cryovolcanism and the mystery
of the Patom cone. Geodynamics & Tectonophysics.
vol. 3, no. 3, pp. 289–307. doi:10.5800/GT-2012-3-3-0075.
http://popovgeo.professorjournal.ru/c/document_library/get_file?p_l_id=22997&folderId=69343&name=DLFE-36927.pdf
http://gt.crust.irk.ru/images/upload/tblarticle83/magazin83.pdf
http://gt.crust.irk.ru/article_83.html and
http://gt.crust.irk.ru/magazin2012_3.en.html
Antipin, V. S., and A. M. Fedorov, 2008, The origin of
Patom Crater, East Siberia, from geological and
geochemical data. Doklady Earth Sciences. vol. 423,
no. 2, pp. 1335-1339
http://link.springer.com/article/10.1134%2FS1028334X08090018
Antipin, V. S., A. M. Fedorov, S. I. Dril’, and V. I. Voronin,
2011, The new data on the origin of the Patom Crater (East
Siberia). Doklady Earth Sciences. vol. 440, no. 2, pp. 1391-1395
http://link.springer.com/article/10.1134%2FS1028334X11100187
Ermolin, E., O. Ingerov, and А. Saviсhev, 2012, Results of
AMT survey of Patom crater area. Extended Abstract, 21st
EM Induction Workshop Darwin, Australia, July 25-31, 2012.
http://www.21emiw.com/LiteratureRetrieve.aspx?ID=117868\\\
Kolpakov, V.V., 1951. A mysterious crater in the Patom
highland. Priroda. vol. 2, pp. 58–59.
Other papers expressing diverse opinions are:
Stazhevskii, S. B., 2011, Origination and development
mechanics of the Earth's morphostructures. Part I: Etiology
and evolution of the Patomsky crater. Journal of Mining
Science. vol. 47, no. 4, pp. 413-426.
http://link.springer.com/article/10.1134%2FS1062739147040034
Stazhevskii, S. B., 2012, Origination and development
mechanics of the Earth’s morphostructures. Part II: The
nature of diatreme, karst and trappean formations, and
the Chicxulub Crater origin. Journal of Mining Science.
vol. 48, no. 1, pp. 55-70.
http://link.springer.com/article/10.1134%2FS1062739148010078
Yours,
Paul H.
Sunday, 16 February 2014
Really Strange Geological Structure (Landform) in Siberia, Russia
Really Strange Geological Structure (Landform) in Siberia, Russia
In "[Rockhounds] Really Strange Geological
Structure (Landform) in Siberia, Russia" at
http://lists.drizzle.com/pipermail/rockhounds_lists.drizzle.com/2014-February/002474.html
wagoner asked:
"I pose one question out of curiosity (and probably
ignorance) - why is there only one of these
structures that has been found there in Russia?"
That is a very important and significant question.
if this feature was either a pingo or cyrotovolcano,
I would expect that there should be more of them
in the region. The uniqueness of this feature is a
problem as well for the impact origin hypothesis.
Given the number of known impact structures on
Earth and Mars, there should be other known
features like this among recognized impact structures.
Why there are not more features like the Potam
Cone either within the region or elsewhere is an
important point that needs to be explained in any
hypothesis that a person proposes for the origin of
this landform.
wagoner asked:
"It seems odd to me that there would only
be one, if indeed there is only one. Harry W."
I agree with you that the unique nature of this
landform is extremely odd. There is a geologic
structure in Louisiana, the Zenoria / Little Creek
structure, that is also unique and currently
unexplained.
Echols, J. B., and R. P. McCulloh, 2000, Little
Creek Structure, T9N-R2E, La Salle Parish,
Louisiana. Search and Discovery Article #50001
American Association of Petroleum Geologists,
Tulsa, Oklahoma.
http://www.searchanddiscovery.com/documents/echols/index.htm
Echols, J. B., and R. P. McCulloh, 1998, Little
Creek Structure, T9N-R2E, La Salle Parish,
Louisiana. Basin Research Institute Bulletin.
vol. 8, pp. 30-39. (November 1998)
http://www.scribd.com/doc/207276900/Little-Creek-Structure-La-Salle-Parish-Louisiana
The unique nature of the Little Creek structure
and the Patom Cone might indicate that an unique
combination of processes came together to create
them. That means trying to explain either of these
features by a single, common-place process might
be not useful in trying to explain their origin.
In "[Rockhounds] Russian Oddity" at
http://lists.drizzle.com/pipermail/rockhounds_lists.drizzle.com/2014-February/002475.html
Fisher noted
"I commented only on the two photos at the end
of that article. I said that they looked like either
pillow lava or concretions in mudstone to me.
That's what I saw, your results may differ."
These pictures are fascinating and likely significant
clues to the origin of the Patom Cone. In my opinion,
they are neither pillow lava nor concretions. Instead,
they look like intensively deformed mudstone. It would
be helpful, if there were captions that described what
the field geologists identified these structures as and
where exactly they were found.
Yours,
Paul H.
In "[Rockhounds] Really Strange Geological
Structure (Landform) in Siberia, Russia" at
http://lists.drizzle.com/pipermail/rockhounds_lists.drizzle.com/2014-February/002474.html
wagoner asked:
"I pose one question out of curiosity (and probably
ignorance) - why is there only one of these
structures that has been found there in Russia?"
That is a very important and significant question.
if this feature was either a pingo or cyrotovolcano,
I would expect that there should be more of them
in the region. The uniqueness of this feature is a
problem as well for the impact origin hypothesis.
Given the number of known impact structures on
Earth and Mars, there should be other known
features like this among recognized impact structures.
Why there are not more features like the Potam
Cone either within the region or elsewhere is an
important point that needs to be explained in any
hypothesis that a person proposes for the origin of
this landform.
wagoner asked:
"It seems odd to me that there would only
be one, if indeed there is only one. Harry W."
I agree with you that the unique nature of this
landform is extremely odd. There is a geologic
structure in Louisiana, the Zenoria / Little Creek
structure, that is also unique and currently
unexplained.
Echols, J. B., and R. P. McCulloh, 2000, Little
Creek Structure, T9N-R2E, La Salle Parish,
Louisiana. Search and Discovery Article #50001
American Association of Petroleum Geologists,
Tulsa, Oklahoma.
http://www.searchanddiscovery.com/documents/echols/index.htm
Echols, J. B., and R. P. McCulloh, 1998, Little
Creek Structure, T9N-R2E, La Salle Parish,
Louisiana. Basin Research Institute Bulletin.
vol. 8, pp. 30-39. (November 1998)
http://www.scribd.com/doc/207276900/Little-Creek-Structure-La-Salle-Parish-Louisiana
The unique nature of the Little Creek structure
and the Patom Cone might indicate that an unique
combination of processes came together to create
them. That means trying to explain either of these
features by a single, common-place process might
be not useful in trying to explain their origin.
In "[Rockhounds] Russian Oddity" at
http://lists.drizzle.com/pipermail/rockhounds_lists.drizzle.com/2014-February/002475.html
Fisher noted
"I commented only on the two photos at the end
of that article. I said that they looked like either
pillow lava or concretions in mudstone to me.
That's what I saw, your results may differ."
These pictures are fascinating and likely significant
clues to the origin of the Patom Cone. In my opinion,
they are neither pillow lava nor concretions. Instead,
they look like intensively deformed mudstone. It would
be helpful, if there were captions that described what
the field geologists identified these structures as and
where exactly they were found.
Yours,
Paul H.
Thursday, 13 February 2014
Really Strange Geological Structure (Landform) in Siberia, Russia
Really Strange Geological Structure (Landform) in Siberia, Russia
In "Really Strange Geological Structure (Landform)
in Siberia, Russia" at:
http://lists.drizzle.com/pipermail/rockhounds_lists.drizzle.com/2014-February/002457.html
James wrote:
"Stay skeptical, my friends!"
I agree with you that it is not an impact crater and a person
has to be skeptical of such claims given that Google Earth
fans have a habit of claiming any circular or elliptical pond,
digital artifact, or feature that they find is an impact crater.
That is why I called it a "craterwrong,"which is my
companion term to the popular "meteorwrong" of meteorite
collectors.
For examples of other craterwrongs, go see:
1. The Manuel Benavides Craterwrong and Cratermania
http://www.mail-archive.com/meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com/msg92117.html
2. Preliminary Evaluation of a Proposed “Younger Dryas
Impact” Crater
https://www.mail-archive.com/meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com/msg102013.html
3. An Evaluation of the Proposed Spratly Islands
Impact Structure
https://www.mail-archive.com/meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com/msg115764.html
Searching the Internet, I found that The Russian landsform
has a number of names by which it is known. They include
the “Eagle Nest,” “Patomsky Crater,” " Patom Crater,"
and “Patom Cone.” I like “Patom Cone” because it is
nongeneric as to its origin.
I found one paper about the Patom Cone that argues it to
be a "cryovolcano." This paper is:
Alekseyev V.R., 2012. Cryovolcanism and the mystery
of the Patom cone. Geodynamics & Tectonophysics.
vol. 3, no. 3, pp. 289–307. doi:10.5800/GT-2012-3-3-0075.
PDF file at
http://popovgeo.professorjournal.ru/c/document_library/get_file?p_l_id=22997&folderId=69343&name=DLFE-36927.pdf
and http://gt.crust.irk.ru/images/upload/tblarticle83/magazin83.pdf
Abstract at http://gt.crust.irk.ru/article_83.html
and http://gt.crust.irk.ru/magazin2012_3.en.html
Unfortunately the main text is it Russian. As a result,
I do not know the specifics of the arguments that this
paper makes.
An extended abstract about this landform is:
Ermolin, E., O. Ingerov, and А. Saviсhev, 2012, Results of
AMT survey of Patom crater area. Extended Abstract, 21st
EM Induction Workshop Darwin, Australia, July 25-31, 2012.
http://www.21emiw.com/LiteratureRetrieve.aspx?ID=117868
Additional web pages are:
Fifth Expedition to the Patom Crater Gives Striking
Results, Lake Baikal Fund, July 27, 2011
http://baikalfund.ru/eng/news/article.wbp?article_id=480b33b9-7ac6-4e36-b390-7b6ddf10f804
Imaggeo on Mondays: Pitter-patter of little paws in Patomsky
crater. by Dmitry Demezhko, Geolog, European Geosciences
Union, February 10, 2014.
http://geolog.egu.eu/2014/02/10/imaggeo-on-mondays-pitter-patter-of-little-paws-in-patomsky-crater/
There is even a Wikipedia page about it at:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patomskiy_crater
For the people, who have Google Earth the location of this
landform is 59.28449°N 116.58954° (59.28449°N 116.58954°E)
Yours,
Paul H.
In "Really Strange Geological Structure (Landform)
in Siberia, Russia" at:
http://lists.drizzle.com/pipermail/rockhounds_lists.drizzle.com/2014-February/002457.html
James wrote:
"Stay skeptical, my friends!"
I agree with you that it is not an impact crater and a person
has to be skeptical of such claims given that Google Earth
fans have a habit of claiming any circular or elliptical pond,
digital artifact, or feature that they find is an impact crater.
That is why I called it a "craterwrong,"which is my
companion term to the popular "meteorwrong" of meteorite
collectors.
For examples of other craterwrongs, go see:
1. The Manuel Benavides Craterwrong and Cratermania
http://www.mail-archive.com/meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com/msg92117.html
2. Preliminary Evaluation of a Proposed “Younger Dryas
Impact” Crater
https://www.mail-archive.com/meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com/msg102013.html
3. An Evaluation of the Proposed Spratly Islands
Impact Structure
https://www.mail-archive.com/meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com/msg115764.html
Searching the Internet, I found that The Russian landsform
has a number of names by which it is known. They include
the “Eagle Nest,” “Patomsky Crater,” " Patom Crater,"
and “Patom Cone.” I like “Patom Cone” because it is
nongeneric as to its origin.
I found one paper about the Patom Cone that argues it to
be a "cryovolcano." This paper is:
Alekseyev V.R., 2012. Cryovolcanism and the mystery
of the Patom cone. Geodynamics & Tectonophysics.
vol. 3, no. 3, pp. 289–307. doi:10.5800/GT-2012-3-3-0075.
PDF file at
http://popovgeo.professorjournal.ru/c/document_library/get_file?p_l_id=22997&folderId=69343&name=DLFE-36927.pdf
and http://gt.crust.irk.ru/images/upload/tblarticle83/magazin83.pdf
Abstract at http://gt.crust.irk.ru/article_83.html
and http://gt.crust.irk.ru/magazin2012_3.en.html
Unfortunately the main text is it Russian. As a result,
I do not know the specifics of the arguments that this
paper makes.
An extended abstract about this landform is:
Ermolin, E., O. Ingerov, and А. Saviсhev, 2012, Results of
AMT survey of Patom crater area. Extended Abstract, 21st
EM Induction Workshop Darwin, Australia, July 25-31, 2012.
http://www.21emiw.com/LiteratureRetrieve.aspx?ID=117868
Additional web pages are:
Fifth Expedition to the Patom Crater Gives Striking
Results, Lake Baikal Fund, July 27, 2011
http://baikalfund.ru/eng/news/article.wbp?article_id=480b33b9-7ac6-4e36-b390-7b6ddf10f804
Imaggeo on Mondays: Pitter-patter of little paws in Patomsky
crater. by Dmitry Demezhko, Geolog, European Geosciences
Union, February 10, 2014.
http://geolog.egu.eu/2014/02/10/imaggeo-on-mondays-pitter-patter-of-little-paws-in-patomsky-crater/
There is even a Wikipedia page about it at:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patomskiy_crater
For the people, who have Google Earth the location of this
landform is 59.28449°N 116.58954° (59.28449°N 116.58954°E)
Yours,
Paul H.
Wednesday, 12 February 2014
One of the Strangest Landforms That I Ever Seen (Siberia, Russia)
One of the Strangest Landforms That I Ever Seen (Siberia, Russia)
Hi,
Searching the Internet, I found that this landform has a
number of names by which it is known. They include the
“Eagle Nest,” “Patomsky Crater,” and “Patom Cone.” I like
“Patom Cone” because it is nongeneric as to its origin.
I found one paper about the Patom Cone that argues it to
be a "cryovolcano." This paper is:
Alekseyev V.R., 2012. Cryovolcanism and the mystery
of the Patom cone. Geodynamics & Tectonophysics.
vol. 3, no. 3, pp. 289–307. doi:10.5800/GT-2012-3-3-0075.
PDF file at
http://popovgeo.professorjournal.ru/c/document_library/get_file?p_l_id=22997&folderId=69343&name=DLFE-36927.pdf
and http://gt.crust.irk.ru/images/upload/tblarticle83/magazin83.pdf
Abstract at http://gt.crust.irk.ru/article_83.html
and http://gt.crust.irk.ru/magazin2012_3.en.html
Unfortunately the main text is it Russian and My wife is
to busy at work to translate it for me this week. As a
result, I do not know the specifics of the arguments that
this paper makes.
An extended abstract about this landform is:
Ermolin, E., O. Ingerov, and А. Saviсhev, 2012, Results of
AMT survey of Patom crater area. Extended Abstract, 21st
EM Induction Workshop Darwin, Australia, July 25-31, 2012.
http://www.21emiw.com/LiteratureRetrieve.aspx?ID=117868
Additional web pages are:
Fifth Expedition to the Patom Crater Gives Striking
Results, Lake Baikal Fund, July 27, 2011
http://baikalfund.ru/eng/news/article.wbp?article_id=480b33b9-7ac6-4e36-b390-7b6ddf10f804
Imaggeo on Mondays: Pitter-patter of little paws in Patomsky
crater. by Dmitry Demezhko, Geolog, European Geosciences
Union, February 10, 2014.
http://geolog.egu.eu/2014/02/10/imaggeo-on-mondays-pitter-patter-of-little-paws-in-patomsky-crater/
There is even a Wikipedia page about it at:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patomskiy_crater
For the people, who have Google Earth the location of this
landform is 59.28449°N 116.58954° (59.28449°N 116.58954°E)
Yours,
Paul H.
Hi,
Searching the Internet, I found that this landform has a
number of names by which it is known. They include the
“Eagle Nest,” “Patomsky Crater,” and “Patom Cone.” I like
“Patom Cone” because it is nongeneric as to its origin.
I found one paper about the Patom Cone that argues it to
be a "cryovolcano." This paper is:
Alekseyev V.R., 2012. Cryovolcanism and the mystery
of the Patom cone. Geodynamics & Tectonophysics.
vol. 3, no. 3, pp. 289–307. doi:10.5800/GT-2012-3-3-0075.
PDF file at
http://popovgeo.professorjournal.ru/c/document_library/get_file?p_l_id=22997&folderId=69343&name=DLFE-36927.pdf
and http://gt.crust.irk.ru/images/upload/tblarticle83/magazin83.pdf
Abstract at http://gt.crust.irk.ru/article_83.html
and http://gt.crust.irk.ru/magazin2012_3.en.html
Unfortunately the main text is it Russian and My wife is
to busy at work to translate it for me this week. As a
result, I do not know the specifics of the arguments that
this paper makes.
An extended abstract about this landform is:
Ermolin, E., O. Ingerov, and А. Saviсhev, 2012, Results of
AMT survey of Patom crater area. Extended Abstract, 21st
EM Induction Workshop Darwin, Australia, July 25-31, 2012.
http://www.21emiw.com/LiteratureRetrieve.aspx?ID=117868
Additional web pages are:
Fifth Expedition to the Patom Crater Gives Striking
Results, Lake Baikal Fund, July 27, 2011
http://baikalfund.ru/eng/news/article.wbp?article_id=480b33b9-7ac6-4e36-b390-7b6ddf10f804
Imaggeo on Mondays: Pitter-patter of little paws in Patomsky
crater. by Dmitry Demezhko, Geolog, European Geosciences
Union, February 10, 2014.
http://geolog.egu.eu/2014/02/10/imaggeo-on-mondays-pitter-patter-of-little-paws-in-patomsky-crater/
There is even a Wikipedia page about it at:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patomskiy_crater
For the people, who have Google Earth the location of this
landform is 59.28449°N 116.58954° (59.28449°N 116.58954°E)
Yours,
Paul H.
Really Strange Geological Structure (Landfrom) in Siberia, Russia
Really Strange Geological Structure (Landfrom) in Siberia, Russia
A really strange landform has made the news in Russia
and now has appeared in the Mail Online. Articles with
pictures and rather weird speculation about meteorites
and
What (or who) created Siberia's 'Eagle's Nest'?
A meteorite, a nuke or gulag inmates? Scientists
baffled by Sarah Griffids, Mail Online, Feb. 7, 2014
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2553841/Siberian-eagles-nest-continues-baffle-scientists-Theories-250-year-old-mound-formed-range-meteorite-strike-nuclear-blast.html
Huge Eagle Nest in woods, English Russia,May 27, 2013
http://englishrussia.com/2013/05/27/huge-eagle-nest-in-the-woods/
What created this mysterious Siberian crater? by Kate
Baklitskaya, The Siberian Times, October 14, 2012
http://www.sott.net/article/264671-What-created-this-mysterious-Siberian-crater
This is certainly not an impact crater. This is certainly
one of the strangest craterwrong that I have ever seen.
Some of the various theories that have been proposed
for its origins are mentioned in:
Patomsky crater - the nest of fire Eagle. Unknown Russia
http://runknown.com/patomsky-crater-the-nest-of-fire-eagle
Yours,
Paul H.
A really strange landform has made the news in Russia
and now has appeared in the Mail Online. Articles with
pictures and rather weird speculation about meteorites
and
What (or who) created Siberia's 'Eagle's Nest'?
A meteorite, a nuke or gulag inmates? Scientists
baffled by Sarah Griffids, Mail Online, Feb. 7, 2014
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2553841/Siberian-eagles-nest-continues-baffle-scientists-Theories-250-year-old-mound-formed-range-meteorite-strike-nuclear-blast.html
Huge Eagle Nest in woods, English Russia,May 27, 2013
http://englishrussia.com/2013/05/27/huge-eagle-nest-in-the-woods/
What created this mysterious Siberian crater? by Kate
Baklitskaya, The Siberian Times, October 14, 2012
http://www.sott.net/article/264671-What-created-this-mysterious-Siberian-crater
This is certainly not an impact crater. This is certainly
one of the strangest craterwrong that I have ever seen.
Some of the various theories that have been proposed
for its origins are mentioned in:
Patomsky crater - the nest of fire Eagle. Unknown Russia
http://runknown.com/patomsky-crater-the-nest-of-fire-eagle
Yours,
Paul H.
Tuesday, 11 February 2014
One of the Strangest Landforms That I Ever Seen (Siberia, Russsia)
One of the Strangest Landforms That I Ever Seen (Siberia, Russsia)
A really strange landform has made the news in Russia
and now has appeared in the Mail Online. Articles with
pictures and rather weird speculation about meteorites
and all sorts of other processes that might have created it.
What (or who) created Siberia's 'Eagle's Nest'?
A meteorite, a nuke or gulag inmates? Scientists
baffled by Sarah Griffids, Mail Online, Feb. 7, 2014
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2553841/Siberian-eagles-nest-continues-baffle-scientists-Theories-250-year-old-mound-formed-range-meteorite-strike-nuclear-blast.html
Huge Eagle Nest in woods, English Russia,May 27, 2013
http://englishrussia.com/2013/05/27/huge-eagle-nest-in-the-woods/
What created this mysterious Siberian crater? by Kate
Baklitskaya, The Siberian Times, October 14, 2012
http://www.sott.net/article/264671-What-created-this-mysterious-Siberian-crater
This is certainly one of the strangest craterwrongs that
I have ever seen. Some of the various theories that have
been proposed for its origins are mentioned in:
Patomsky crater - the nest of fire Eagle. Unknown Russia
http://runknown.com/patomsky-crater-the-nest-of-fire-eagle
I would be interested in what the people on this list
think about what might have created this pile of rock?
Does anyone know what is being said about it among
Russian geologists and geomorphologists?
Whatever, it is, it is quite young.
Yours,
Paul H.
A really strange landform has made the news in Russia
and now has appeared in the Mail Online. Articles with
pictures and rather weird speculation about meteorites
and all sorts of other processes that might have created it.
What (or who) created Siberia's 'Eagle's Nest'?
A meteorite, a nuke or gulag inmates? Scientists
baffled by Sarah Griffids, Mail Online, Feb. 7, 2014
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2553841/Siberian-eagles-nest-continues-baffle-scientists-Theories-250-year-old-mound-formed-range-meteorite-strike-nuclear-blast.html
Huge Eagle Nest in woods, English Russia,May 27, 2013
http://englishrussia.com/2013/05/27/huge-eagle-nest-in-the-woods/
What created this mysterious Siberian crater? by Kate
Baklitskaya, The Siberian Times, October 14, 2012
http://www.sott.net/article/264671-What-created-this-mysterious-Siberian-crater
This is certainly one of the strangest craterwrongs that
I have ever seen. Some of the various theories that have
been proposed for its origins are mentioned in:
Patomsky crater - the nest of fire Eagle. Unknown Russia
http://runknown.com/patomsky-crater-the-nest-of-fire-eagle
I would be interested in what the people on this list
think about what might have created this pile of rock?
Does anyone know what is being said about it among
Russian geologists and geomorphologists?
Whatever, it is, it is quite young.
Yours,
Paul H.
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