Earth giving birth to moon

Earth giving birth to moon (And Email Posting Test)

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Mon Nov 2 16:27:57 EST 2009

Pete Shugar on Oct. 30, 2009, asked: ] "If I have the correct read on the hypothetical---- the moon would be only 200 ky old" Is this enough time for tidal action to bring the moon's rotation to a standstill" Just thinking......"

No.

The trouble is, as other people have pointed out, your question points out just one of innumerable easily documentable flaws in the ideas presented in the press release reveal the utter lack of knowledge of geology, astronomy, physics, and so forth of whoever wrote it.
This article disguised as a press release reminds meof the worst of the class papers that I had to read and grade as a teaching assistant in undergraduate physical geology laboratory.

Notice that Coleman's article about the "Big Bang Origin of the Moon" is not even an official article. Instead this article is just posted as a "press release" to Scoop.co.nz as a press release at
http://www.scoop.co.nz/about/contact.html as:

Peter Coleman: Big Bang Origin Of The Moon
Wednesday, 28 October 2009, 4:39 pm
Press Release: Peter Coleman
http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/SC0910/S00066.htm

As far as I have found googling, no newspaper has yet been crazy enough to print this press release as real news.

My favorite line of evidence completely overlooked by whoever wrote this paper and various other catastrophists, who argue that the Moon is relatively young are ancient tidalites that demonstrate the presence of tides and, thus the Moon, as far back as 3.2 million years ago in
the Precambrian.

Some web pages are:

Where the Moon was at, 3.2 billion years ago
http://scienceblogs.com/highlyallochthonous/2007/07/where_the_moon_was_at_32_billi.php

Ancient Tides Recorded in Indiana Rocks by Erik P. Kvale
http://igs.indiana.edu/geology/ancient/tidaltime/index.cfm
ftp://igs.indiana.edu/pub/pdfdocuments/tideslesson.pdf

Tidal rhythmites and their implications by Rajat Mazumder and Makoto Arima
http://www.mantleplumes.org/WebDocuments/MazumderESR2004.pdf

An Analysis of Cyclic Tidal Deposits: Statistical Time Series Properties, Extraction of Earth-Moon Parameters, and Observed Intertidal Sedimentation by Christopher Lynn Coughenour http://idea.library.drexel.edu/bitstream/1860/3135/1/Coughenour_Christopher.pdf

Implications of lunar orbital periodicity from the Chaibasa tidal rhythmite (India) of late Paleoproterozoic age by Rajat Mazumder http://www.mantleplumes.org/WebDocuments/GEOY-32-10-841.pdf

1997, Tidalites in Big Cottonwood Canyon, with Al Archer and Steve Greb, during Geological Society of America Salt Lake City Meeting http://donchesnut.com/travels/geologyfield/geologyfield.html#cottonwood

Some random references:

Adkins, R. M. and K. A. Eriksson, 1999, Rhythmic sedimentation in a mid-Pennsylvanian delta front succession, Four Corners Formation (Breathitt Group), eastern Kentucky: a near complete
record of daily, semi-monthly and monthly tidal periodicities. in Tidalites: processes & products. Special publication no. 61. SEPM (Society for Sedimentary Geology). Tulsa, Oklahoma.

Alexander, C. R., R. A. Davis and V. J. Henry, eds., 1998, Tidalites: processes & products. Special publication no. 61. SEPM (Society for Sedimentary Geology). Tulsa, Oklahoma.

Archer, A. W., 1996. Reliability of lunar orbital periods extracted from ancient cyclic tidal rhythmites. Earth and Planetary Science Letters. vol. 141, pp. 1-10. http://dx.doi.org/10.1016/0012-821X(96)00063-5

Archer, A. W., G. Kuecher, and E. P. Kvale, 1995. The role of tidal-velocity asymmetries in the deposition of silty tidal rhythmites (Carboniferous, Eastern Interior Coal Basin). Journal of Sedimentary Research. vol. A65, pp. 408-416. http://jsedres.sepmonline.org/cgi/content/abstract/65/2a/408

Chan, M. A., E. P. Kvale, A. W. Archer, and C. P. Sonett, 1994. Oldest direct evidence of lunar-solar tidal forcing encoded in sedimentary rhythmites, Proterozoic Big Cottonwood Formation, central Utah. Geology. vol. 22, pp. 791-794. http://geology.geoscienceworld.org/cgi/content/abstract/22/9/791

Coughenour, C. L., A. W. Archer, and K. J. Lacovara, 2009, Tides, tidalites, and secular changes in the Earth-Moon system. Earth-Science Reviews, In Press, Corrected Proof, Available online 3 October 2009 http://dx.doi.org/10.1016/j.earscirev.2009.09.002

Davis, R. A., 2006, Precambrian tidalites from the Baraboo Quartzite Wisconsin, U.S.A. Marine Geology. vol.╩235,╩no. 1-4, pp.╩247-253. http://dx.doi.org/10.1016/j.margeo.2006.10.018

Eriksson, K. A., 1977, Tidal deposits from the Archaean Moodies Group, Barberton Mountain Land, South Africa.╩ Sedimentary Geology. vol. 18, pp. 257-281. http://dx.doi.org/10.1016/0037-0738(77)90015-X

Eriksson, K. A., 1982, Tidalites. in Encyclopaedia of Science & Technology. McGraw-Hill, New york.

Eriksson, K. A., and E. L. Simpson, 2000, Quantifying the
oldest tidal record: The 3.2 Ga Moodies Group, Barberton
Greenstone belt, South Africa. Geology. vol. 28, pp. 831-834
http://geology.geoscienceworld.org/cgi/content/abstract/28/9/831

Eriksson, K. A. and E. L. Simpson, 2004. Precambrian tidalites: recognition and significance. in The Precambrian Earth: Tempos and Events. Elsevier, New York.

By the way:

This is a test of my email posting from a non-Yahoo ISP. Somehow,
the settings of the Yahoo email accounts changed in a way that
introduced HTML into an email even when it is set to "plain text."
Since I have not yet determined how to get rid of the HTML, I have
moved to an email account on a non-Yahoo ISP. If anyone knows
how to get rid of the HTML even in teh plain text setting, I would
love to hear from you.

Yours,

Paul H.